A Ben Doyle Lesson -- Part II / Ben Of Arabia - Forum Archive

Yoda 06-30-2005, 01:15 PM

When last we saw our Dynamic Duo, student and teacher were walking toward the sand trap. Not to hit sand shots, but to learn several techniques (including The Great Wall of China!) to achieve the correct Impact Hand Location.

In addition, we learn about the Feel of Lag Pressure (dragging sand or a wet mop) and get a crystal-clear picture of how Ben teaches the Pre-Shot Routine and Ball Location ("How can you use the shadow of this trap rake to build a great golf game?"). Remember, though he's teaching a constant Ball Location with regards to the Left Heel, he also insists on varying the Stance width for the Chip, Pitch, and Punch Shots and for the Full Swing. With the Head remaining centered between the Feet, this automatically produces a changing Ball Location in relation to the Left Shoulder (Low Point).

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mb6606 06-30-2005, 02:36 PM

I have learned more about the swing from these two (Doyle) lessons and they have yet to hit a full shot on the tape. Right out of the book first page of the introduction.

Great Thanks.
Sand trap here I come!!!

Yoda 06-30-2005, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by mb6606 I have learned more about the swing from these two (Doyle) lessons and they have yet to hit a full shot on the tape.

That's great news, mb6606. Glad to help!

Meanwhile, about those MIA Shots, stay tuned for Part III -- Back To The Line. Coming soon to a computer near you!

DDL 06-30-2005, 03:47 PM

Is hip turn a subset of hip action or the same thing? I do feel like when my pivot waits for the hands, I can pull the lag with my hip turn and hit good shots. Good stuff once again. Love the interaction. Especially the parts where he explains what he used to do and why it didn't work.

Yoda 06-30-2005, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by DDL Is hip turn a subset of hip action or the same thing?

Hip Turn defines the Motion of the Hips. Hip Action defines the work they do.

mb6606 06-30-2005, 04:03 PM

Don't foget to put these to videos in the Gallery.
Makes is far easier to find.

6bmike 06-30-2005, 06:28 PM

We will see a some differences between Ben and Lynn as the series goes on. No doubt Ben is a relentless teacher of the Three Imperatives. Ben swears by them as should every golfer.

Mathew 06-30-2005, 07:57 PM

Thanks for this

noproblemos 06-30-2005, 08:04 PM

interesting video. thanks!!

so is hip action just a "snap" of the right hip?

rchang72 06-30-2005, 10:29 PM

I think I missed what was the test to get out of the bunker. Is it to stick the clubhead into the lip with forward lean?

fmlutz 07-01-2005, 02:35 AM

Great stuff! I love to see the proper hand and hip motions together. Ben does that really well. Is Ben trying to teach the guy an automatic snap release? It seems like he wants to get him to let the hips release the wrists. Is this correct?

Thanks,

Mike

6bmike 07-01-2005, 11:09 AM

Ben is all swing and all snap. Homer loved Snap too but with less hips. I believe. I might need a life line on that last point.

Jimmy 07-01-2005, 02:30 PM

I have a question concerning the "hip throw-out action". Is this something that is supposed to be timed and, if so, why would you need/want to do that? If the law of the flail says that the club is always seeking to get in line with the left arm, why would you need to snap the hips to throw the club out? The club is going to align with the left arm without making any attempt to throw it out, right?

EdZ 07-01-2005, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmy I have a question concerning the "hip throw-out action". Is this something that is supposed to be timed and, if so, why would you need/want to do that? If the law of the flail says that the club is always seeking to get in line with the left arm, why would you need to snap the hips to throw the club out? The club is going to align with the left arm without making any attempt to throw it out, right?

Jimmy - a "cracking whip" is an image that can be quite helpful when understanding the transfer of power, and the alingments of the body and club to supply the best support of impact, the least deceleration, through impact. You need to know each side of the coin.

The left and right arms meet in the middle at PP#1. Balance is a great thing from all perspectives. That is the key to applying balanced, efficient, force in all areas. A very important concept to understand IMO.

Sbark 07-03-2005, 10:33 AM

Read thru and am trying to view the Tire and Sand items (56k also)

question-----any little adjustments to make when using these in trying to ingrain a hitting stroke?

thanks for any input

Yoda 07-03-2005, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sbark Read thru and am trying to view the Tire and Sand items (56k also)

question-----any little adjustments to make when using these in trying to ingrain a hitting stroke?

Using any resistance device, e. g., an Impact Bag, small tire (careful here) or sand...

When Hitting, feel Right Arm Muscular Drive-out Thrust driven by the Right Triceps (from a stable Right Shoulder).

When Swinging, feel Left Arm Centrigual Throw-Out Wallop driven by Hip Action (and Body Momentum Transfer).

fogger 07-03-2005, 10:06 PM

[/quote]
When Hitting, feel Right Arm Muscular Drive-out Thrust driven by the Right Triceps (from a stable Right Shoulder).

When Swinging, feel Left Arm Centrigual Throw-Out Wallop driven by Hip Action (and Body Momentum Transfer).[/quote]

This is a great "physical" explanation. I've been a swinger for years and have been trying to move to the hitting procedure because I think it makes my iron play better. I understand now why I can get into so much trouble when my hips get active.