(loud/obnoxious)---> "YOU DA MAN!"
:P
-Paul
if you notice there is a little white object just to the right of hogans left shoulder at setup and then in the pic of the start of his downswing you cant see it anymore because he has leaned way left his left. seems like someone out there teaches that as the first move down in one of there models
I see what you are talking about
Gee...I wonder who???....Aren't you supposed to "Stay behind it?"
The ol' flywheel...
Flywheel....Crank it up...Ben
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Gee...I wonder who???....Aren't you supposed to "Stay behind it?"
You're goin over my head here. Honestly.
Who you talkin bout now? What method?
" he has leaned way left his left".....
That is what I was referring too...Tongue in Cheek..."Stay behind it!!!"
[quote="birdie_man"]
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Gee...I wonder who???....Aren't you supposed to "Stay behind it?"
You're goin over my head here. Honestly.
Who you talkin bout now? What method?[/quote
actually the video
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Here are a few photos -- compare to frames 5 and 6 of the
Ben Hogan sequence -- taken by my friend
Mark Roughsedge, GSEM, during our recent Workshop in Germany. Despite the compelling similarity, at no time have I ever attempted to emulate Ben's swing. This is just what you get when you build a true
Golfing Machine Stroke (12-2-0).
There are some down-the-line views as well, and I'll put them up soon in a post on the experience. Meanwhile...
Mathew, how about some triangles? Thanks!
I made tons of mistakes in editing these pictures here, but it will give you the basic idea
Thanks, Mathew!
Heres another look.....
What everyone has already seen:
Yoda and BH's swings show stunning resemblance. It is also stunning how - for some reason - the shutters the the two cameras are virtually synchronized. Hands, arms, lag, legs - everything.
I am amazed. Especialy efter browsing through the swings I have on file without finding a single one even close to the same positions.
How can you not start thinking about a nosedive in The Yellow Book after seeing these pictures.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Originally Posted by Yoda
Thanks, Mathew!
That is definitely eye opening! But quite frankly not suprising at all. I have seen the Yoda move in person. Pictures are amazing, but to see it live in full dynamic glory is a site to behold. Pure as the driven snow.
Yoda . . . Question. Hogan was a manipulated hands swinger. Yoda is able to demonstrate both, but has a bent towards Hitting. Were you Hitting here? Or are the alignments the same just the difference in the power source?
Also Wiener schnitzel vs. fried chicken and collards?
Great pics! Thanks Yoda, Annikan, and Mathew!
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Yoda...Were you Hitting here?
Also Wiener schnitzel vs. fried chicken and collards?
Swinging,
12 Piece. Swinging.
Then I demo'ed Hitting, but I don't think Mark got any of those on his still camera. Another of the group,
Alan Hendry, GSEM, did, but unfortunately his camera was stolen in a car theft the last night of our school.
Regarding der wiener schnitzel...
Nein.
Ich bien ein brachtwurst und bratkartoffeln man myself!
Master Yoda,
Great Pics...
Captain Lag up up and away!!!!
The crowd is Chanting
WE need more !!!!
We need More!!!
The crowd is still Chanting
Could ya put the Swing next to the Hit frames to compare when you get some more pics?
...PLEASE
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Master Yoda,
Could ya put the Swing next to the Hit frames to compare?
Sorry,
Annikan, we don't have a Hitting Stroke. There weren't many. All the School participants were Swingers, and I was in a Swingin' mood!
But we'll get something out soon, probably as part of the
Long Game DVD with
V. J. Trolio. Also, we'll do the front view of
Ted Fort's Sand Wedge (down-the-line view in the Gallery), and we'll film a Driver Shot next week (during the School with
Ben Doyle, Brian Manzella and
Michael Finney) for a Dartfish analysis as well.
Now that I think of it...
A side-by-side of Ted (pure Hitter) and Mike (pure Swinger)...
Now
that will be a
Hitting versus Swinging analysis worth waiting for!
Yes! Do it! Do it!
...and while you're at it, can you get a true DTL view of your swing Lynn? The other one is kind of a weird angle...
That would be awesome-wicked-deadly-cool, daddio (wink and gun).
Originally Posted by birdie_man
...and while you're at it, can you get a true DTL view of your swing Lynn?
How about these, Birdie?
Don't let a hardy devotee find those photos, he'd say you're a one-planer
The crowd from the Roman Coliseum is chanting...
More...More... More...
Master Yoda...
Side Note...
Your down the line frames reminded me when...
I watched you from ground zero at the Needles...
I still think your SWING is better than your HIt...
But I know you disagree...
But "I" still remember what it felt like....
....getting "sucked down" to Low point ....
....from all the Lag and Drag...of course
...it was quite turbulent!!!!
Lookin' good Yoda!
But "I" still remember what it felt like....
....getting "sucked down" to Low point ....
....from all the Lag and Drag...of course
...it was quite turbulent!!!!
Whaaaaaaaatttt....?
Perhaps it is the camera angle but the clubhead looks like it is is coming down the flight line and not inside - the right forearm angle of approach.
I thinks it a bit of an illusion...if you look at Yoda's wrist condistions...his left wrist has not quite got back to FLV....to me, think his clubhead is approaching the ball correctly, but it looks more down the line vs. inside quadrant, as the overtaking action to square the clubface is still taking place....
FL-John
>>Yoda Pics -- What You See Is What You Get >> Whenever there is a Hogan sequence and especially frames 4-5 we who are less talented feel pain with the admiration and look for someone who will rescue us.
DRW
Originally Posted by Mathew
I made tons of mistakes in editing these pictures here, but it will give you the basic idea
Yoda,
What's amazing about these pics of you and the Hawk are the sense of dynamic motion you get from them. Even though a picture doesn't move, you get the sense that if you stuck your head in there you would get your jaw broken into a million pieces. Also, it looks like you and Henny Bogan could SPIN yourselves right into the ground.
You should be damn proud to have your move posted right next to possibly the best ball striker ever and not have it ripped apart. Heck even a lot of Pros couldn't stack up to Hogan without feeling like it was time to go back to the drawing board.
Here's to you OBLITERATING plane lines! Nice work Dr. Burrito Verde!
Regards,
B
Said the ball.
The above is a classic for the LBG team.
Bagger
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Originally Posted by Mathew
I made tons of mistakes in editing these pictures here, but it will give you the basic idea
Yoda,
What's amazing about these pics of you and the Hawk are the sense of dynamic motion you get from them. Even though a picture doesn't move, you get the sense that if you stuck your head in there you would get your jaw broken into a million pieces. Also, it looks like you and Henny Bogan could SPIN yourselves right into the ground.
You should be damn proud to have your move posted right next to possibly the best ball striker ever and not have it ripped apart. Heck even a lot of Pros couldn't stack up to Hogan without feeling like it was time to go back to the drawing board.
Here's to you OBLITERATING plane lines! Nice work Dr. Burrito Verde!
Regards,
B
Great post.
I agree 100%.
The lag is amazing...the "sit-down" look to his swing is amazing. You're right- it looks like he it really torquing himself against the ground...like he's gonna screw himself right into it.
-Paul
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Skywalker~
Hogan said the most important part of the swing was the move from the top of the swing initiated by the knees and hips.
There are frames past your #4 where the shaft goes beyond parallel and before the club is reversed.
Could/would you please post these?
Thanks.
DRW
What are you looking for DRW?
It's just a Hip Slide ("bump")->Hip Turn/Axis Tilt move (blended together to be 1 move, basically....Hip Slide, Hip Turn, and finally Axis Tilt into Impact).
Originally Posted by birdie_man
What are you looking for DRW?
It's just a Hip Slide ("bump")->Hip Turn/Axis Tilt move (blended together to be 1 move, basically....Hip Slide, Hip Turn, and finally Axis Tilt into Impact).
axis tilt is just the result of sliding your hips and keeping your head still thus increasing the tilt of your spine
You know what....that's true.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by birdie_man
What are you looking for DRW?
It's just a Hip Slide ("bump")->Hip Turn/Axis Tilt move (blended together to be 1 move, basically....Hip Slide, Hip Turn, and finally Axis Tilt into Impact).
birdie man~
I am wanting to clarify and better understand Hogan's pivot. He had a "left side lean or sag" at the top not shown in the photos posted.
DRW
Some of the best photos that I have ever seen. My two heros
compared. Thanks very much. Donn Kerby
Originally Posted by birdie_man
What are you looking for DRW?
It's just a Hip Slide ("bump")->Hip Turn/Axis Tilt move (blended together to be 1 move, basically....Hip Slide, Hip Turn, and finally Axis Tilt into Impact).
Go back to the "flywheel " picture on page 1 of this thread of Hogan demonstrating his downswing movement and watch very closely and tell me what you see?
The term hip turn is one I think is a misinterpretation of the actual body movement. When I look at Hogan's picture I see a "Core Pivot". Let me elaborate, all the movement in that picture is being intitated by Hogan pivoting the core of his body around his left leg. Whichever direction your core goes your body goes. By pivoting your core around you left leg weight shift and the turn of the right hip happen and they happen in precisely the order they need to happen. And all you have to do is once that happens is trace the right forearm down the delivery plane and BINGO!
Think about it!
Originally Posted by ce_me_golf
Go back to the "flywheel " picture on page 1 of this thread of Hogan demonstrating his downswing movement and watch very closely and tell me what you see?
The term hip turn is one I think is a misinterpretation of the actual body movement. When I look at Hogan's picture I see a "Core Pivot". Let me elaborate, all the movement in that picture is being intitated by Hogan pivoting the core of his body around his left leg. Whichever direction your core goes your body goes. By pivoting your core around you left leg weight shift and the turn of the right hip happen and they happen in precisely the order they need to happen. And all you have to do is once that happens is trace the right forearm down the delivery plane and BINGO!
Think about it!
Yes that's definately true. Great observation.
The hips respond to the turning of the shoulders (which
possibly can respond to the movement of the hands, if you choose to do so).
This is "Delayed Hip Action" (10-15-B...pg. 181 in 6th Edition) in TGM.
the pics in the first pages are missing..boohooohooo! lol
