From the Top

There are instructors that advocate a left wrist throw, and some of them probably more of a hand throw, right from the Top. Some of these are fairly well known instructors, and some of them have TGM knowledge.

Anyway... on film, some of the students employing this procedure will actually have the LOOK of a Random Sweep, and some even towards a Snap Release! Others, will be more towards a Sweep Release.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you believe is the reason, or reasons for the differences in the LOOK of the Releases?

Trigger Delay!!!! or ....Lack thereof....

Skywalker

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker Trigger Delay!!!! or ....Lack thereof....

Skywalker

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Yes, Trigger Delay. However, if the player SAYS he THROWS it right from the TOP, but still has a Snap Release with VISUAL Trigger Delay... how do you explain that?

Feel is not real!

Danger in listening to what a players feels, look, look, look.

Alignments can be verified!!!


Todd

And the Choir said...."Amen"

Originally Posted by lagster There are instructors that advocate a left wrist throw, and some of them probably more of a hand throw, right from the Top. Some of these are fairly well known instructors, and some of them have TGM knowledge.

Anyway... on film, some of the students employing this procedure will actually have the LOOK of a Random Sweep, and some even towards a Snap Release! Others, will be more towards a Sweep Release.

Has anyone else seen this? What do you believe is the reason, or reasons for the differences in the LOOK of the Releases?

Mike Austin et al?

Originally Posted by Yoda

Originally Posted by lagster Yes, Trigger Delay. However, if the player SAYS he THROWS it right from the TOP, but still has a Snap Release with VISUAL Trigger Delay... how do you explain that?

The Player is confusing 'Feel' with 'real.' The Throw -- the Release Trigger -- can occur as early as possible, as late as possible or somewhere in between. But, once Triggered, the Release occurs and that's it for this time 'round.

You simply cannot Release the Club at the Top and at the Side (or later) during the same Stroke.

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Yes, I understand FEEL vs. REAL. Do you think that this could have something to do with the fact that most Strokes take 2 seconds or less to complete? Some people's wiring may be such that what they are sensing, may not match with reality, but the way they FEEL OR SENSE what they are doing could work very well for them.

Mike Austin had a pronounced "drop it in the slot" move at the startdown, prob'ly done by leading with the right elbow. But he explained his motion as straightening the right elbow on the way down and made a gesture of pointing his right index finger at the ball, indicating that everything lined up at impact.
His gesture also had the "spin the waiter's tray from the top" a la Tomasello's
"whip" (without a club in hand) on the Mike Austin/Mike Dunaway video.

That said, the swing sequences posted on the web show him with a significant delayed uncocking at the ball, like many others. The lag was created, increased and held late.

I've been fiddling around with this lately, so it's funny that this thread came up. From my "experimentation", the difference is largely in the way the body moves. In other words, the amount of trigger delay was affected directly by the influence of the body, rather than the motion of the hands. For example, I noticed that when I really tried to create the look (as opposed to the feel) of throwaway, my body had to react in a very different way in order to produce that throwaway. It's funny, in my best-ever ballstriking session, I tried to feel like I was creating the "swish" of the golf club by my right shoulder. I've never had better contact, prettier ballflight, or more effortless swing as I had that day. It's a good feel, in my opinion, for the right type of player, with the right type of mechanics.

Originally Posted by Bigwill I've been fiddling around with this lately, so it's funny that this thread came up. From my "experimentation", the difference is largely in the way the body moves. In other words, the amount of trigger delay was affected directly by the influence of the body, rather than the motion of the hands. For example, I noticed that when I really tried to create the look (as opposed to the feel) of throwaway, my body had to react in a very different way in order to produce that throwaway. It's funny, in my best-ever ballstriking session, I tried to feel like I was creating the "swish" of the golf club by my right shoulder. I've never had better contact, prettier ballflight, or more effortless swing as I had that day. It's a good feel, in my opinion, for the right type of player, with the right type of mechanics.

Sounds like Swinging to me. Could be that you were creating the initial pull with this thought via the spin of the Flywheel. I think your body will very much react to the intent you have interms of where you are taking your hands and how. The thought probably allowed you to Load #2 and #4.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Sounds like Swinging to me. Could be that you were creating the initial pull with this thought via the spin of the Flywheel. I think your body will very much react to the intent you have interms of where you are taking your hands and how. The thought probably allowed you to Load #2 and #4.

Probably. Another thing is that this feeling (throwing the clubhead) allowed me to feel and monitor PP3 like I never have before. It makes sense; PP3 is clubhead feel, right? It's basically the difference between "holding the angle", and creating and maintaining lag. If lag pressure is the tactile manifestation of clubhead inertia, then what sense would it make (if you're trying to create that inertia) for someone to apply force in the same direction as the clubhead's backswing movement (holding the angle)? If inertia is the resistance to a change in direction (in this case, by the clubhead), then it makes sense the the force would be applied in the direction opposite the clubhead's backswing path.

I think that the advent of all of these swing sequences and the misinterpretations of those sequences have led a lot of people down the wrong path, as far as the creation of accumulator lag is concerned. Think about it; if you're trying to throw a ball as far as you can, you're letting it go. You're not muscularly holding your arm back; you're trying to move that ball forward from the jump. That look of the elbow leading the hands is the result of the proper sequence of motion, good rhythm, and good ole inertia.

At least, it appears that way to me...