Left arm wedge

Long time lurker, irregular poster...

Firstly, thank you to Lynn, 6BMike and all the admin at the site for the wonderful videos of late, these are incredible instruction. Watching the excellent ruready2roll video got me thinking about the left arm wedge, and that thinking led to fog!

Lynn talks about see the line, uncocking on the line, and rolling on the line. For a swinger I imagine you could include dragging on the line (I seem to remember an old post about the 3 stage rocket - drag, uncock, roll). Also for a swinger, you'll have swiveled the left palm against the plane. So, assuming a sequenced release, for the dragging and uncocking part, won't the whole left arm wedge be directed at the plane line? But then isn't the left arm never on plane (it can’t be because the left shoulder isn’t on plane)? Or to put it another way, won’t there have to be (dare I say it!) a bend in the left wrist to allow onplane uncocking?

I’m even more confused after writing this!!!!

Help!

Chris

Thanks for the reply,

I get the angle down the line at address, but once the left arm swivels 90 degrees, if the left arm wedge was maintained perfectly, wouldn't the club cock up in line with the left arm? If my left wrist is flat, and I cock the club up it goes towards my left shoulder. If I rotate my arm and keep my left wrist flat shouldn't it still go towards my left shoulder? But it doesn't, it goes towards my (turned) right shoulder. Or at least it should! So how is the integrity of the left arm wedge maintained? Same problem coming down if you uncock before rolling.

To put it another way, how does the left wrist cock not cause the club to get above plane, unless the whole left arm is lying on the plane (which it is obviously not)?

Thanks,
Chris

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ Thanks for the reply,

I get the angle down the line at address, but once the left arm swivels 90 degrees, if the left arm wedge was maintained perfectly, wouldn't the club cock up in line with the left arm? If my left wrist is flat, and I cock the club up it goes towards my left shoulder. If I rotate my arm and keep my left wrist flat shouldn't it still go towards my left shoulder? But it doesn't, it goes towards my (turned) right shoulder. Or at least it should! So how is the integrity of the left arm wedge maintained? Same problem coming down if you uncock before rolling.

To put it another way, how does the left wrist cock not cause the club to get above plane, unless the whole left arm is lying on the plane (which it is obviously not)?

Thanks,
Chris

Remember this, it will simplify everything for you.

As long as your Left Wrist is Flat, you have mainted the integrity of your Left Arm Flying Wedge! That's it!

ChrisNZ wrote,

"Also for a swinger, you'll have swiveled the left palm against the plane."

The LINE of the leading edge of the club can lie in a plane, without the left flying wedge lying in that plane.

I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.

Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.

How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer

Originally Posted by tongzilla I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.

Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.

How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer

You turn the left wrist just enough to get the leading edge of the club parallel to the plane line at the top.

Remember this, it will simplify everything for you.

As long as your Left Wrist is Flat, you have mainted the integrity of your Left Arm Flying Wedge! That's it!

Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.

My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.

Keith

Originally Posted by krpainter Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.

My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.

Keith

Keith:

Don't forget about the Level Right Wrist which is equally important as the Flat Left Wrist -- together, they give you your precision Flying Wedges Assembly -- the real Gateway to Golfing perfection!

Sorry, I still don't get this.

Which of these are wrong?

* If the left wrist is flat the club must cock directly towards the left shoulder and uncock away from the left shoulder.

* In an onplane swing, on the turned shoulder plane, after turning, the club cocks back towards the right shoulder, or where the right shoulder will be after it has turned back to plane. Or, in other words, the wrist cock occurs on plane.

* The only way the club could cock towards both the left and right shoulders would be if the left and right shoulder were both on plane (possible with a rotated shoulder plane?)

It seems to me (and I'm happy to be corrected on this!) that you need a small bend in your left wrist to cock towards the right shoulder unless the left shoulder is also on plane.

Help!

Chris

Originally Posted by Yoda Per 4-C-2:

"When Turned...the left palm faces directly toward that [selected] Plane."

Per 10-11-0-3:

The quarter turn rotation you mention refers not to the Left Hand, but to the Right Hand and its #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the right forefinger). And that does not refer to an actual rotation of the Hand, but merely the rotation of the pressure point pressure (from the back to the top of the Clubshaft) during an End Backstroke.

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A detailed explanation... with picture... of Left Wrist Turn, and Right Forearm Fanning would probably be helpful. Showing Standard, Single, and Double Wrist Action would be even better!

Originally Posted by Yoda The explanations and photos are all there in 10-18. Just remember that photos 10-18-C and 10-18-D should be reversed.

Also, study the "Useful Combinations" (photos 5-A/B/C/D).

As I look at 5-C-2 (the Right Wrist Conditions complementing the Left Wrist's Flat, Cocked and Turned Conditions) I am taken back 24 years. When I began my study of The Golfing Machine® in 1979, the book's complementing Right Wrist Conditions were identical to those of the Left, i.e., Flat, Turned and Cocked. By 1981, I had come to understand the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, and clearly, a Cocked Right Wrist destroys that structure. Plus, the photo did not seem to show the Wrist as Cocked. So, I telephoned Homer -- by this time he had gotten used to these calls! -- and asked about it. After a brief pause, he answered, "You're right. It should be Level, not Cocked."

And he changed it in the 5th edition.

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Yes Mr. Yoda... those pictures are in the book. I was talking about some NEW pictures if possible, that also show the CLUBFACE. 10-18-A and 10-18-D(which should be C), for example, look about the same to me.

Also, an explanation of RIGHT FOREARM FANNING, as differentiated from LEFT WRIST TURNING would be good. I remember an excellent post you did some time ago explaning their separate identities. I believe you described how Miller Barber actually FANNED on the DOWNSWING.