Close Encounters Tape - A Lesson With Lynn

If you have been following the thread regarding Collin Neeman in the Hole-ies and Pole-ies forum section, you already know that we have a budding collegiate star on our hands. Collin came to Lynn from St. Louis last May with a winning swing but with no knowledge of The Golfing Machine®, its alignments or its terminology. They spent a full two days together with Collin's father, Cal, manning the video camera. The lesson you can now view was the wrap-up and summary on the final afternoon and is being provided to our members with Collin's permission.

We have broken the lesson into 12 natural segments in order to keep the study focused and the file sizes reasonable. So without further adieu, please visit our Gallery section and enjoy some of the best live lesson footage you will encounter...anywhere. A Lesson With Yoda

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P.S. For your first viewing, take each chapter in sequence. There are 12 chapters in all, each about 5 minutes on average.

Fantastic! I have experienced this same thing first hand. Unbelievable experience.

Man Collin is a BIG DUDE!!! I would not want to be on the striking end of that stroke!!!

Whoa mint. Thanks guys.

Downloadin as we speak.

What makes this series so useful for me is that fact that we see Lynn in action with a student - Collin - who can immediately translate what is being taught. This is great because it shows Lynn basically "going for the jugular" on these advanced topics. Collin translates it so quickly that Lynn is able to cover a ton of ground in a relatively short period of time.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Fantastic! I have experienced this same thing first hand. Unbelievable experience.

Man Collin is a BIG DUDE!!! I would not want to be on the striking end of that stroke!!!

Or Yoda maybe 4' 2"!

Again, another tribute to a fantastic job of putting together all the pieces that make up this website- well done Lynn! Great stuff!

Here's a perfect situation to apply golfing machine principles and take all the discussion in regards to the concepts in the book that are discussed on these forums and see it happen in action- with a good player. This is a textbook case of a good player who has pivot controlled hands- not a good thing - but a very common problem and fortunately not a death sentence but just another opportunity to get better.

In the full swing from the end of the backswing to halfway down- if you go frame by frame- you’ll see the hands come out more than down as Colin has maintained the lag in relation to the body and not the plane line (see 5-0).

Halfway down this “roundhousing” creates a situation where the hips didn’t need to slide out of the way to create the weight shift and prevent the elbow hip collision- therefore the right foot is flat and slightly less rolled-in as a result.

At halfway down (hands roughly hip /mid body height), he’s really in a tough position and his mind knows he’s in trouble, so being athletic- he works from that point in the downswing to impact to adjust the motion in order to hit the shot appropriately- usually a common way to correct from that position is to raise the shaft angle steeper than intended to “make it happen” i.e. since the hands have come to much out- the plane angle needs to be steeper from that point to impact. That raising effort shows up in his follow-through/finish. However from that point half-way down you just can’t consistently do it- that is - plane angle shifting through the release interval- so you get the slight pull shot, or the straight shot, or the slight push shot/ push fade shot- you never know for sure which one. You never get in that groove where you’re money!

It’s also a perfect example of a situation where when you have these pre-programmed issues- that although you could just think of directing the lag at the plane line, you might never really get better or accomplish it. You really need to understand the problem and de-program some of the ingrained faults while you’re trying to perform the procedure of directing the lag at the plane line.

Of course, when you make the change starting with start down waggles- the start down is a lot steeper- and a whole new set of joint sequencing and timing issues come into play that take time to work through- but it’s worth the effort.

Again, great presentation Lynn- neat to see the machine in motion!

As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.

Originally Posted by Yoda So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?

Extremely well put, Yoda.

Collin came with a good swing but left with an incubator full of eggs after Lynn programmed his computer. He sought to recognize the minute differences in Precision.
Do I need Lynn to transform a weekend player into a single digit player to prove what TGM can do? Not at all.

And we got to watch- how cool is that?!

Originally Posted by Yoda So what are you saying, Joe? If you've got a good swing, you really can't get any better, so why try? Or, that watching a good player learn to differentiate the fine points of the Game is of little value to our members?

Collin and I had already been working together a full day and a half. Doing 'nothing' I suppose, according to your own sensibility ("why did these lessons even happen?"). Collin would say otherwise. And so would I.

Could you not see that this was a fine tuning...a summary session...the end result of many hours of a successful student-teacher relationship? Do you really think that the disciplined verbal and physical responses Collin immediately made to my instruction were 'all of sudden' just kind of 'happening'? Do you think his Right Forearm was anywhere close to where you see it in the video when we started or that his Left Wrist could produce the precision alignments he demonstrates -- alignments he could now identify by name?

The work we did is indeed a "showcase," and I am proud of it. In fact, it is how a 'good player' becomes a Champion. At my own crossroads in Golf, I didn't have the benefit of this instructional bridge, and I didn't have the talent to overcome the limitations of conventional instruction. Collin arrived at my doorstep with the talent and left with the guidance he needed. He learned how precise it could be -- indeed, how precise it must be - and has since taken his Game to the next level.

The lesson sequence started with Lesson #1 and there was no indication that there was anything preceding that. From the first lesson to the last, he kept the hands above the clubhead and executed chip, pitch, punch, basic, acquired, and full motion for the most part, flawlessly. There was no adjustment of anything - physics or geometry - just a very occasional, "try again".

Indeed, there WAS a lot of very interesting and useful commentary about the Swing - such as your personal alternation between "tracing the plane line" and "direction of PP #3". And, the difference between "throwing the club" versus "driving it". Very entertaining and informational for the viewer, and I fully appreciate that aspect.

But how about taking a life-long hack "flipper" and showing us, step by step, how you turn him into the "flattest left wrist" in golf?

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe As I watched this sequence of "lessons", it occured to me to ask why they even happened! Clearly, Collin already knows how to execute a TGM Hand Controlled Pivot CF Swing. These aren't so much lessons as they are a showcase. It would be much more instructive to see Yoda take the student in Ben's lesson and make him look like Collin.

I can only speak from my first hand experience with Yoda. On day one...Ugly was as Ugly is. The number of issues, okay problems with my golf stroke numbered in the high 20s. After 4 or 5 hours on the range, another 3 to 4 hours of drills and book work, the difference was night and day. On the second day after 4 hours on the range plus there was about 2 hours or more of review of video and drills that morning, the golf stroke was totally different and it really looked liked a golf stroke. We did some taping and a quick review of hinging, basic, acquired motion, along with Hitting and Swinging which really looked like I had been doing this for much longer than 48 hours. I still go over the tape. After 72 hours it was a complete transformation, not in the same class as Collin but the list of issues you could count on one hand and have fingers left over.

The click of the ball...a sound that is beautiful...ball go good too.

So though Collin in the clips may looked as if he is just doing a 'showcase', I saw this more like the wrap up Yoda did with me to cover the basics and do some fine tuning so that after you leave you have a reference to fall back on. A side benefit,you are right makes for a great showcase of the golf stroke. There is a heck of alot of information buried in those clips, you need to get past just the repeated words and look look look at what all is being accomplished.

Great Vids......

Anyway, I don't know Collin's level prior to arrival, but I can believe that Collin with this experience took his stoke to at least the next level if not higher. And I am sure I heard that he had a limited shot selection and left with alot more.

Great Stuff......

I am 70 yrs old and have been a low single digit player for over 50 yrs. I have played and socialized with the very best professionals and amateurs in the world. I have had instructions from U.S. open winners to teaching only pro's.

I took lessons from Luke at "the swamp". I paid for the 5 lesson plan, took 2 and have not returned in 6 months. I learned so much in those 2 lessons that one morning, plus what I learn on LynnBlakeGolf.com that I don't feel the need to go back.

Last week I viewed the "close encounters-a lesson with Lynn. It is without a doubt the finest piece of golf instruction i have ever benefited from. I have no special allegience to Lynn B. or Ted Fort, as I hardly know them. But, I feel indebted to them for what I have learned from LynnBlakeGolf.com. They could make a lot more money for themselves without out these free lessons on tape. They are a proven quality now and worth paying for!

One other point. You can learn a lot more by viewing and LISTENING to a lesson with a good player than you will ever learn by viewing a player that refuses to be taught, e.g., the guy in the Ben Doyle l hr. lesson.

Frank

" Sharper than a serpents tooth, to have an ungrateful child."
-- Wm. Shakespeare

Originally Posted by Mike O Or Yoda maybe 4' 2"!

Again, another tribute to a fantastic job of putting together all the pieces that make up this website- well done Lynn! Great stuff!

Here's a perfect situation to apply golfing machine principles and take all the discussion in regards to the concepts in the book that are discussed on these forums and see it happen in action- with a good player. This is a textbook case of a good player who has pivot controlled hands- not a good thing - but a very common problem and fortunately not a death sentence but just another opportunity to get better.

In the full swing from the end of the backswing to halfway down- if you go frame by frame- you’ll see the hands come out more than down as Colin has maintained the lag in relation to the body and not the plane line (see 5-0).

Halfway down this “roundhousing” creates a situation where the hips didn’t need to slide out of the way to create the weight shift and prevent the elbow hip collision- therefore the right foot is flat and slightly less rolled-in as a result.

At halfway down (hands roughly hip /mid body height), he’s really in a tough position and his mind knows he’s in trouble, so being athletic- he works from that point in the downswing to impact to adjust the motion in order to hit the shot appropriately- usually a common way to correct from that position is to raise the shaft angle steeper than intended to “make it happen” i.e. since the hands have come to much out- the plane angle needs to be steeper from that point to impact. That raising effort shows up in his follow-through/finish. However from that point half-way down you just can’t consistently do it- that is - plane angle shifting through the release interval- so you get the slight pull shot, or the straight shot, or the slight push shot/ push fade shot- you never know for sure which one. You never get in that groove where you’re money!

It’s also a perfect example of a situation where when you have these pre-programmed issues- that although you could just think of directing the lag at the plane line, you might never really get better or accomplish it. You really need to understand the problem and de-program some of the ingrained faults while you’re trying to perform the procedure of directing the lag at the plane line.

Of course, when you make the change starting with start down waggles- the start down is a lot steeper- and a whole new set of joint sequencing and timing issues come into play that take time to work through- but it’s worth the effort.

Again, great presentation Lynn- neat to see the machine in motion!

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Not many people would see the hands coming out TOO much, and the resulting actions and compensations for that action("roundhousing" etc.)... good observations mikeo! His stroke LOOKS excellent in many ways, however, and I think you would agree.

I believe I have heard this called... "coming over the bottom."
He does an excellent job of compensating, if in fact this is the case.

It sounds like the "Downstroke Waggle" is how you would go about correcting something like this. You mentioned also "Hands Controlled Pivot" vs. "Pivot Controlled Hands".

Maybe a picture sequence can be posted(I don't have the ability to do so) that shows the hands coming down in relation to the Plane Line, as you describe, and the resulting Hip Action, weight shift ,and Foot Action that occurs from this change.

Just curious. In the basic motion, what distinguishes the swinger from the hitter? It looked like he was starting from impact fix and then picking the right forearm up and bringing it back down.

Originally Posted by rchang72 Just curious. In the basic motion, what distinguishes the swinger from the hitter? It looked like he was starting from impact fix and then picking the right forearm up and bringing it back down.

In the basic motion (12-5-1) or in any motion- the acceleration method is what differentiates the swinger from the hitter- that's it. A close 2nd would be the hinge action/rhythm- as that's normally a result of the acceleration method- but the hinge action does not differentiate hitting from swinging. Otherwise, the basic motion for both is identical.

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Not many people would see the hands coming out TOO much, and the resulting actions and compensations for that action("roundhousing" etc.)... good observations mikeo! His stroke LOOKS excellent in many ways, however, and I think you would agree.

I believe I have heard this called... "coming over the bottom."
He does an excellent job of compensating, if in fact this is the case.

It sounds like the "Downstroke Waggle" is how you would go about correcting something like this. You mentioned also "Hands Controlled Pivot" vs. "Pivot Controlled Hands".

Maybe a picture sequence can be posted(I don't have the ability to do so) that shows the hands coming down in relation to the Plane Line, as you describe, and the resulting Hip Action, weight shift ,and Foot Action that occurs from this change.

Lagster,
Not sure how I can help further. However, absolutely looks like Collin can really play! As far as sequences, I would just say go frame by frame in the first swing of Chapter 10 for Collin and then go frame by frame with Els or Hogan in the Gallery. One of the points I was making in my post was that the body shows through amplification- what the hands and club have done- therefore it's part of the information that you use to determine what the clubshaft, face and head have done throughout the movement- that detective work combined with TGM knowledge can help you figure out what's going on with the club and hands and therefore what the club and hands need to do differently and likewise what the body needs to do differently to support that movement.

Originally Posted by Mike O Lagster,
Not sure how I can help further. However, absolutely looks like Collin can really play! As far as sequences, I would just say go frame by frame in the first swing of Chapter 10 for Collin and then go frame by frame with Els or Hogan in the Gallery. One of the points I was making in my post was that the body shows through amplification- what the hands and club have done- therefore it's part of the information that you use to determine what the clubshaft, face and head have done throughout the movement- that detective work combined with TGM knowledge can help you figure out what's going on with the club and hands and therefore what the club and hands need to do differently and likewise what the body needs to do differently to support that movement.

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Thanks MikeO!

The student obviously has talent. The information presentet in the videos is an excellent opportunity for people to learn. The old "picture is worth a thousand words" is evident here.

I just think that even with a stroke of this quality, one can learn. That is why I was(AM) curious about the obsverations you(MikeO) made.

Tiger Woods, for example, has a great technique, but is constantly IMPROVING it. He could have very easily assumed that he must have nearly perfect technique... since he is the best player, at least for now. But he does not do that. He and his teachers are looking for subtle little things... to make his stroke even better.

Thanks to Yoda and his crew for the video!

Seeing and hearing you applying the TGM stuff in context vas very valuable.

It's one of the best golf instruction video I've ever seen. For me personally it may even be the most valuable one.

I think this video series could serve as a good program for trimming the stroke before next season - for swingers. Watching chapter 1, take it to the range, rewatch ch 1, evaluate, watch ch 2, do second range session with ch1 repetition and then ch2 main part. Etc. 3-4 times a week in 3-4 weeks, and the swing should be back in great shape - and executed by an uncluttered mind.

Thanks to all on the LBG team for bringing this out to us.

Thanks for putting up another great video. I have watched them a few times. I've watched #1 more times and the guy listening intensely in the background caught my eye. I have no idea what he is thinking - might this be it?

Ummm....

Can someone help me out?!!?!? How do I see the vid?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by phillygolf Ummm....

Can someone help me out?!!?!? How do I see the vid?

Thanks!

Go here:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/v...se_images&g=24

Thanks Metallion!!!!

Lynn - so very impressive !

Wonderful, excellent tape ...

I look forward to studying all you said and did on that tape. Apart from being a gifted communicator, it was wonderful to see how encouraging you were towards Colin.

Colin - very nice stroke you got there . Thanks to you both for sharing your time together.

This is so great !