Right Elbow Movement

In the picture comparison of Yoda and Hogan in the gallery, note how the right elbow has tucked back into the right side? This no doubt is a result of the proper sequencing, but if one were to work on this move what would you suggest??

I've noticed that in video, my right elbow does not return to my side quite so neatly. My feeling is that I need to work on delivery path and aiming point, but aside from that are there any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Richw In the picture comparison of Yoda and Hogan in the gallery, note how the right elbow has tucked back into the right side? This no doubt is a result of the proper sequencing, but if one were to work on this move what would you suggest??

Hmmm...well, dont think Hogan will respond, so let's ask Lynn....

Lynn?????

Originally Posted by Richw I've noticed that in video, my right elbow does not return to my side quite so neatly. My feeling is that I need to work on delivery path and aiming point, but aside from that are there any suggestions?

My feeling is, I wouldnt be too concerned - as long as the right elbow gets on plane.

Oh yeah...

Did I yell for Lynn?

This has been an area of confusion to me ever since my lesson with Lynn.Since Lynn& Ted revealed the magic of extensor action I find it difficult to get my elbow forward of my hip.Extensor action seems to contradict the "soft"feeling I need to achieve the position Lynn gets.

Originally Posted by Richw In the picture comparison of Yoda and Hogan in the gallery, note how the right elbow has tucked back into the right side? This no doubt is a result of the proper sequencing, but if one were to work on this move what would you suggest??

I've noticed that in video, my right elbow does not return to my side quite so neatly. My feeling is that I need to work on delivery path and aiming point, but aside from that are there any suggestions?

Load it with "LAG" and sustain that "LAG" toward the inside corner (rather than the back) of the ball.

Originally Posted by Richw In the picture comparison of Yoda and Hogan in the gallery, note how the right elbow has tucked back into the right side? This no doubt is a result of the proper sequencing, but if one were to work on this move what would you suggest??

I've noticed that in video, my right elbow does not return to my side quite so neatly. My feeling is that I need to work on delivery path and aiming point, but aside from that are there any suggestions?

Be careful about exaggerating the Pitch as shown in 10-3-B. Too many people try to 'tuck the elbow' and get into accumulator lag, where the right arm never straightens. Trust me; I've been there.

I'll give you a little drill to support the proper positioning for the use of a Snap Release. Place your left hand in front of your body and place it palm to plane (as in a start-up swivel). A start-up swivel is preparation for the use of a release swivel. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch. Instead of trying to change the elbow, try to keep your left hand palm to plane longer. In fact, take the 'karate chop' past your line of sight to the ball. It's a maximum trigger delay.

P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.

Originally Posted by YodasLuke Be careful about exaggerating the Pitch as shown in 10-3-B. Too many people try to 'tuck the elbow' and get into accumulator lag, where the right arm never straightens. Trust me; I've been there.

I'll give you a little drill to support the proper positioning for the use of a Snap Release. Place your left hand in front of your body and place it palm to plane (as in a start-up swivel). A start-up swivel is preparation for the use of a release swivel. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch. Instead of trying to change the elbow, try to keep your left hand palm to plane longer. In fact, take the 'karate chop' past your line of sight to the ball. It's a maximum trigger delay.

P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.

Solid post! Nice to see you getting in touch with your feminine side. Wanna go shopping sometime?

Originally Posted by YodasLuke P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.

Hmmm.....

For some reason I suspect you could execute a Swing just fine!

Originally Posted by YodasLuke Be careful about exaggerating the Pitch as shown in 10-3-B. Too many people try to 'tuck the elbow' and get into accumulator lag, where the right arm never straightens. Trust me; I've been there.

I'll give you a little drill to support the proper positioning for the use of a Snap Release. Place your left hand in front of your body and place it palm to plane (as in a start-up swivel). A start-up swivel is preparation for the use of a release swivel. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch. Instead of trying to change the elbow, try to keep your left hand palm to plane longer. In fact, take the 'karate chop' past your line of sight to the ball. It's a maximum trigger delay.

P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.

This is such a great drill Ted,
when I am playing my best, my main swing thought is
"Karate Chop to the inside quad ball."

Originally Posted by comdpa This is such a great drill Ted,
when I am playing my best, my main swing thought is
"Karate Chop to the inside quad ball."

Slinger,

In issuing the Chop Down . . . are you basically just taking a Turned Left Hand downplane as if there were no release?

Thanks!

B

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Slinger,

In issuing the Chop Down . . . are you basically just taking a Turned Left Hand downplane as if there were no release?

Thanks!

B

Yes Sir,

I use an Auto Snap Release.

Per 6-N-0-2: " The Automatic drives the Hands at the Aiming
Point (6-E-2)"

If one is using a standard ball position, the Aiming Point changes.
If one uses varying ball position, then the Aiming Point is the ball itself.

However, before an Automatic procedure can be developed, a non-automatic procedure must first be mastered.

Per 12-2-0: "Avoid "customizing" it with other Variations until it approaches the "expert" stage."

We see here in 12-2-0 that we have a snap load and a non-auto sweep release. Does this not go against 7-20 where we see "...Sweep with Sweep, Snap with Snap." ?

Not if we look at it from the light of 6-R-0

Per 6-R-0: "When the selected Non-Automatic Stroke Pattern is mastered it can be pushed on to maximum Delay and become an Automatic Release..."

Lynn explained it to me that 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 are not actually models to aim for, but rather a good starting point to learn the uncompensated stroke.

Mr Kelly really wanted players to master this basic pattern and then customize it if the expert player wanted to. Please note that not all customizations will lead to compensations in the stroke.

I used to have as much delay anybody would need (My mates used to compare my downstroke to Sergio), then I was taught to "follow" 12-2-0. I lost that "lovin feelin'" and the game went down south for a little while.

Lynn has got me back on track, and when I get that "look" back again, I shall be glad to post it up if anyone is keen to see it.

Another thing players need to be aware of in using an Auto Snap is 6-H-B: "Avoid "Starting to Hit" when using a Snap Release (6-N-0)"

Hand and the Pivot

I understand "Educated Hands", but if a player with an uneducated pivot tried to do what I do, it is very easy to do something else other than aiming the hands at the inside quad ball.

The Pivot and the Hands are not mutually exclusive elements in the golf swing. They are CO-DEPENDENT on one another if they are to work together to produce an effective golf swing.

There are 3 Zones in the book for good reason.

Per 9-2: "Zone #3 can never be any better than its Zones #1 and #2 support."

Think of the golf swing as Salt.
Salt is made up of Sodium and Chloride.

On their own, sodium and chloride are dangerous, together they are beneficial. The pivot is the sodium and the hands are the chloride.

Think of the golf swing again as a car. The pivot is the engine of the car, and the hands utilise the steering mechanism to guide the car which is powered by the engine.

The question I would like to pose here and - I have asked this before; would it not be infinitely easier to drive a car that has an engine in good condition?

Per 9-1: "Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot."

Per 12-3-0: "Note that no Zone #1 elements are listed - Educated Hands control the Pivot (9-1)"

As I read the book, my understanding of it is:

1) Train the Pivot
2) Train the Hands to control the Pivot
3) Use the "Educated Hands".

Learning by Association

Per 3-B and 9-2: "look, look, LOOK"

If golf felt like it looked and looked like it felt, it would be an easy game.

What feels wrong is right, what feels right is wrong. Thus Mr Kelly's constant admonition to keep looking. This is learning by associating a look to the feel.

When you are practicing a certain move, always check in the mirror to see that you are actually doing it. This goes for Auto Snap Releases (Avoiding Starting to Hit) as well as other things.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Slinger,

In issuing the Chop Down . . . are you basically just taking a Turned Left Hand downplane as if there were no release?

Thanks!

B

Like a tailor measuring you for a jacket - EdZ

Originally Posted by YodasLuke Be careful about exaggerating the Pitch as shown in 10-3-B. Too many people try to 'tuck the elbow' and get into accumulator lag, where the right arm never straightens. Trust me; I've been there.

I'll give you a little drill to support the proper positioning for the use of a Snap Release. Place your left hand in front of your body and place it palm to plane (as in a start-up swivel). A start-up swivel is preparation for the use of a release swivel. "As it goes up, so it tends to come down."

With your left hand palm to plane, place your right forearm flying wedge under and against the left. When you're palm to palm, notice the position of the right elbow. You are in Pitch. Instead of trying to change the elbow, try to keep your left hand palm to plane longer. In fact, take the 'karate chop' past your line of sight to the ball. It's a maximum trigger delay.

P.S. Don't tell anybody I talked about swinging. I'll be ostracized from the hitters emergency room.

This is how you get out of "perverted pitch"....outstanding Ted....Notice how the elbow has a relationship to the behavior of the #3 Accumulator...Therefore one can conclude that one's wrist action, hinge action, arm motiona and elbow location...although seperate to themselves have to be coordinated....Children need to learn to play together.....

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker This is how you get out of "perverted pitch"

I love that phrase...I'm going to keep that and use it.

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker although seperate to themselves have to be coordinated....Children need to learn to play together....

Can't we all just get along?

The red-headed stepchild who doesn't like to play along..the right arm swing per 10-3-K with loosened wrists...ooops.....Sorry Richard....you know I love you man.....Here we go again....

Originally Posted by Yoda For the Hitter's application, start from the Swinger's position Luke has described above. Now, Roll the Left Wrist slightly (to the left toward the vertical). Allow the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to likewise Roll. Now observe the position of the Right Elbow. You are in Punch.

In other words, Single Wrist Action will naturally bring your Elbow to a Punch position, while Standard Wrist Action will naturally bring it to a Pitch position.

Another reason for the Swinger to Start Up Swivel.

Originally Posted by Yoda For the Hitter's application, start from the Swinger's position Luke has described above. Now, Roll the Left Wrist slightly (to the left toward the vertical). Allow the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to likewise Roll. Now observe the position of the Right Elbow. You are in Punch.

Are these same "procedures" applicable to one that has a different grip type than the preferred 10-2-B?