Flat Left Wrist?

What exactly does it mean to have a "flat left wrist" at impact? Is this in reference to the #3 Accumulator... meaning no bend only uncock and roll or that the wrist faces the target, or what? I play with a relatively strong grip and my left wrist seems bent at setup or at least it is not facing the target. Should I only be rotating it and not bending it (is that possible with a strong grip) when I take my grip?

I want to purchase an impact bag and try some drills but I also want to be sure I'm not practicing a bad habit and really get good at THAT!

I would appreciate any clarification.

Michael

Originally Posted by Yoda The key alignment is that the Clubshaft be 'in line' with the Left Arm. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Left Arm and Club are traveling at the same RPM throughout the Downstroke (6-B-3-0).

If the Left Wrist is placed on the Grip in a Vertical Condition, then the Flat Left Wrist at Impact assures compliance with the 'in line' Left Arm and Shaft requirement. It also affords a visual confirmation of that compliance (4-D-1).

However, if you have Turned your Left Wrist when taking the Grip, then that precise amount of Wrist Turn becomes Wrist Bend at Impact. Hence, you have lost the visual check afforded by the Flat Left Wrist. However, as long as the Clubshaft has not passed the in-line condition with the Left Arm, you have complied with the Law of the Flail (2-K-#2) and maintained Rhythm. This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.

The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!

Thanks Yoda, validation is sweet!

EC

Originally Posted by EC The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!

Thanks Yoda, validation is sweet!

EC

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Hey Eddie, when ya gunna get your Bio up for us on the Pro Contributors page??? Pinehurst ought to be slowing a bit by now.

Originally Posted by Yoda The key alignment is that the Clubshaft be 'in line' with the Left Arm. This assures the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Left Arm and Club are traveling at the same RPM throughout the Downstroke (6-B-3-0).

If the Left Wrist is placed on the Grip in a Vertical Condition, then the Flat Left Wrist at Impact assures compliance with the 'in line' Left Arm and Shaft requirement. It also affords a visual confirmation of that compliance (4-D-1).

However, if you have Turned your Left Wrist when taking the Grip, then that precise amount of Wrist Turn becomes Wrist Bend at Impact. Hence, you have lost the visual check afforded by the Flat Left Wrist. However, as long as the Clubshaft has not passed the in-line condition with the Left Arm, you have complied with the Law of the Flail (2-K-#2) and maintained Rhythm. This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.

It is very satisfying to come back so soon after asking a question and having it answered... you guys are the best!

Yoda, a question concerning your answer... if I have effectively bent my wrist to grip the club haven't I violated one of the basics of G.O.L.F." If so what is the cost? I get that it is a "geometrical flat left wrist" but is there some cost associated with it and if so, how can I minimize it's effect?

Also does gripping the club vertically mean zero acuumulator #3 angle? Would a vertical left wrist be something I should take on learning? You can probably summize that I stregthened my grip years ago because of fundamental flaws in my swing anyhoo.

Thanks a bunch,

Michael

Originally Posted by EC The Flat left wrist or its EQUIVALENT defined. Colonel 12 Piece, herein lies the answer to the question I posed to you on more than one occassion: How can you have compliance to the Flying wedges with a 10-2-D grip? The Master has confirmed my theory perxactly!

Thanks Yoda, validation is sweet!

EC

E . . . Fog is lifting and the sun is peaking through. Now we must meet again in Raleighwood so you can demo how 10-2-D "can SLING it into the groud."

My left hand just hangs TURNED naturally . . . I gotta make 10-2-D my friend. I was born with a 10-2-D left hand.

Superbowl!

Bucket

For the longest time when I studied TGM, read forums and books BLBG, I struggled with some of the concepts in practice. Not that I didn't understand what I read, BUT the concept in practice seemed to be not as it would be 'ideally' or in preception as in words. THEN...

This compliance -- despite its lack of a visual check -- is known as the Geometric Flat Left Wrist.

This statement/description made a world of difference in my understanding and implementation of the principles of TGM.

Precision is a MUST but the references and measurements MUST be relative. In short, references to the target, the ball, the ground is not alway the relative reference points, that is really old school or traditional thinking in a lot of respect and the visual check points can be misleading.

I think that is when I fully started to appreciate 3-F-5 (Setting Up / Address Routine).

I still wonder at times if I am confusing position golf with alignment golf (e.g. clubface alignment at top or should it be the levers, hands, etc. cause the grip to clubface was set at address?)

Again Thank You Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.

Originally Posted by Martee For the longest time when I studied TGM, read forums and books BLBG, I struggled with some of the concepts in practice. Not that I didn't understand what I read, BUT the concept in practice seemed to be not as it would be 'ideally' or in preception as in words. THEN...



This statement/description made a world of difference in my understanding and implementation of the principles of TGM.

Precision is a MUST but the references and measurements MUST be relative. In short, references to the target, the ball, the ground is not alway the relative reference points, that is really old school or traditional thinking in a lot of respect and the visual check points can be misleading.


Again Thank You Yoda, you have indeed made a complex subject understandable.

Good post Martee . . . .

Let's see what the book has to say about the relation of the Flat Left Wrist and the corresponding Left Arm Flying wedge . . .

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm - the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. So - except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane - the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. . Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3.

However in this case since we are discussing the TURNED LEFT HAND . . . the Left Hand and clubshaft are NOT positioned against the same flat plane BECAUSE the Left Hand is turned ON-TOP of the grip.

AND if we are assuming a 10-2-D grip, the Right Wrist Bend and Right Forearm are NOT AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. They are as Mr. K says in 10-2-D:

Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend . . .Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.

And per 2-P . . .

Wristcock is a Clubhead motion - not a Clubface motion. Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball.

But why is the CLUBFACE being THROwN if we abide by the advice to maintain the same amount of Left Wrist Bend throughout the Stroke?

Thanks for indulging . . .

Bucket

Here's a quick reminder guys: Homer said that a Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B, Left Wrist Vertical, not Turned) is mandatory throughout the Basic Curriculum for G.O.L.F. If you're not sure whether to make the change...take the hint!

Originally Posted by mabramb Also does gripping the club vertically mean zero acuumulator #3 angle? Would a vertical left wrist be something I should take on learning? You can probably summize that I stregthened my grip years ago because of fundamental flaws in my swing anyhoo.

To understand what Vertical means, look at photo in 4-C-1. If you extend your Left Arm straight in front of yourself, parallel to the ground with fingers extended, you will end up looking like 4-C-1. Now without Turning or Rolling your Left Wrist, lower your arm into a more golf-like position. Maintaining this Vertical position of your Left Wrist, you can place the club in the cup of your Left Hand (for minimal Accumulator 3, typically used for putting) or the heel pad of your Left Hand ('normal' amount of Accumulator #3). Therefore, using a 10-2-B Grip does not necessarily equate to zero Accumulator #3.

Now I believe part of your confusion is this. You think Accumulator #3 application is Rolling the Left Wrist through Impact, which is true (kind of). Hence you think having a Vertical Left Wrist means Zero Accumulator #3. Am I on barking up the wrong tree? If not, I will further clarify your confusion upon request.

Originally Posted by tongzilla Here's a quick reminder guys: Homer said that a Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B, Left Wrist Vertical, not Turned) is mandatory throughout the Basic Curriculum for G.O.L.F. If you're not sure whether to make the change...take the hint!



To understand what Vertical means, look at photo in 4-C-1. If you extend your Left Arm straight in front of yourself, parallel to the ground with fingers extended, you will end up looking like 4-C-1. Now without Turning or Rolling your Left Wrist, lower your arm into a more golf-like position. Maintaining this Vertical position of your Left Wrist, you can place the club in the cup of your Left Hand (for minimal Accumulator 3, typically used for putting) or the heel pad of your Left Hand ('normal' amount of Accumulator #3). Therefore, using a 10-2-B Grip does not necessarily equate to zero Accumulator #3.

Now I believe part of your confusion is this. You think Accumulator #3 application is Rolling the Left Wrist through Impact, which is true (kind of). Hence you think having a Vertical Left Wrist means Zero Accumulator #3. Am I on barking up the wrong tree? If not, I will further clarify your confusion upon request.

Thank you. I looked up the references you were pointing to and got clear on the matter. What I was asking about Acc. #3 had to do with the wrist being "bent or rolled" in order to take what I term as a "strong" grip, which it does. And since one of the basic fundamentals of this golf theory requires no bending of the left wrist (ideal scenario) to have all the components work together, on plane, I am going to take on learning the 10-2-B grip.

I started out playing golf seven years ago with what is termed a vertical grip (or "weak" grip in non-G.O.L.F. terms) and my wrist always felt weak and vulnerable to injury because of many mishits. So basically I changed to a strong grip (I believe what I do would be more like 10-2-D) because of that and due to poor quality of impact (ball contact).

I also noticed that I define my down swing plane by my left shoulder and from something I read today in the book the right shoulder defines the plane and the left arm and shoulder are never on plane (is that correct?. The TGM book is difficult to understand and there are so many sections that contain references to other sections that it seems like it would take a day to just read one section and all it's references... but with the help of all of you that have been playing, learning and teaching this technology, I feel as though I've learned more about the golf swing in one month then the other 6 years and 11 months that I've endeavored to do so.

What you guys do here and who you are all being is extraordinary and I want to let you know that it is appreciated and it makes a difference.

Michael