Angle of approach

I have tried for months to wrap my head around the arc of approach vs. the angle of approach. Is this laser the angle of approach?

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzell...rdownplane.jpg

The Arc of Approach and the Angle of Approach can be seen on the ground 2-C-1 #3. The Arc of Attack and the Angle of Attack is on the Inclined Plane 2-C-1 #2B.

Henning

The laser is on the ground through the ball. Is that line an extension of the angle of approach through the ball? If the plane board wasn't there, wouldn't that line be the angle of approach?

Yes, that line would then be on the ground and the Angle of Approach.

Henning

The laser line on the ground looks to about 45 degrees to the right of the target line. Is that really the amount of down and out one must direct the right shoulder, right forearm, right elbow, and lag pressure?

Since the clubface is open only 3 degrees at impact, that is why I thought down and out was faintly down and out. I wasn't taking the release interval into consideration, which would redirect the 45 degreee down and out angle of approach to 3 degrees by impact.

Great pic by Manz, if I am finally understaning this.

Just to make clear. "Delivery Paths (7-23) guide the Hands but Delivery Lines are needed to guide the Clubhead and the Right Forearm (5-0). The true geometric Plane Line is the Basic Delivery Line. But it has a very useful Visual Equivalent - the curved blur of the Clubhead path during the Adress Routine and again through Release and Impact", which can be executed as an Arc of Approach or its equivalent the Angle of Approach straight line.

Hej henning!!

In non TGM terms, just how down and out is down and out, and how far to the right of the target line is the angle of approach for swingers? My belief is that at the end of the BS, if one constructed a line from the right shoulder to the ball, and laid that line on the ground, one would rotate the upper body and right shoulder on that line after the hip slide while keeping the pivot center motionless.


Tak

Hej DDL!

You use the Angle of Approach or the Arc of Approach to guide the Clubhead and the right Forearm(5-0). This you will see on the ground.

The "Arc" is most compatible with the "On Line" Swing and the "Line" with the "Cross Line Hit" (7-23).

The Angle out toward right field depends on the Plane Angle. Flatter more out to right field and steeper less.

IMO I don´t think that many people use the Arc of Approach and the Angle of Approach. I think it´s easier to trace the true geometric Plane Line with your #3 pp (all three are Visual Equivalents).

What you are talking about is taking your right shoulder to the Turned Shoulder Plane and hopefully your hands too, and then your right shoulder and hands down on that Plane Angle. It´s fine with me if you want to imagine this line on the ground if that helps you, but the Angle of Approach is the blur of the Clubhead path and not for the right shoulder.

DDL your swedish is not to bad. Thank you in swedish is tack. You missed a c. Tak is roof in swedish.

Sincerely,

Henning

If I can add- Down and Out is not two moves but one move down an incline swing plane- preferably the one you came up on, out to the ball as the hands drive to the aiming point perparing to put #3 pp on the ball. I think some see it as a dip of the shoulder and then an out move to the ball. The shoulder rides the incline plane.

Originally Posted by 6bmike If I can add- Down and Out is not two moves but one move down an incline swing plane- preferably the one you came up on, out to the ball as the hands drive to the aiming point perparing to put #3 pp on the ball. I think some see it as a dip of the shoulder and then an out move to the ball. The shoulder rides the incline plane.

I think this is a very important point to make, especially for beginners. Last fall, before I discovered TGM, I was experimenting with trying to drop my hands straight down from the top and then curving out. Some decent shots can be hit this way, but if feels really awkward and it is hard to be consistent. Actually now that I think about it, the good shots may have just had this feeling but were really on plane. Staying on plane the whole way is a much more intuitive and feels oh so much better.

Most weekend hackers have no problem going OUT so when taught to move Down, it is broken into two moves (outiside TGM) which leads to problems.

Now I just let my hands run the show and my only thought about my right shoulder is to let it follow my hands through the ball.

Originally Posted by henning IMO I don´t think that many people use the Arc of Approach and the Angle of Approach. I think it´s easier to trace the true geometric Plane Line with your #3 pp (all three are Visual Equivalents).


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DDL your swedish is not to bad. Thank you in swedish is tack. You missed a c. Tak is roof in swedish.

Sincerely,

Henning

LOL. Maybe it was Danish I was thinking of. Satans osse is the only other Danish I know.

My short term goal is to improve my wobbly pivot and hence my inquiries about constructing a line on the ground to the right, which I guess would ensure I am rotating my right shoulder and upper body around my spine downplane.

Currently, I am practicing pivot controlled hands by focusing on maintaining a motionless, stationary pivot center( base of the back of my neck).

THe true geometric plane line aka target line, goes forward. I don't think it is possible to 'trace' the plane line with my right shoulder without coming over the top.

If I keep my pivot center stationary without bobbing or swaying, and trace the plane line forward with PP#3 via body rotation, will that be sufficient to train my upper body and right shoulder to rotate downplane, and correctly train the down and out motion of the power package?

When I practice acquired motion, I construct an imaginary line from my right shoulder through the ball, and rotate my upper body along that line while focusing on keeping the pivot center stationary. With full swings, I add a slight hip slide at startdown.

I've read reports from others in other forums about the successes they have had when attempting to strike the ball to the right.

Looking for ways to discipline my sloppy pivot.

Tack.

satans osse bad lingua there DDL

Dear Yoda,

Does this mean that the 30 day moratorium on Angle of Approach is lifted?