Backswing and Hinge Action

Thom
Are we supposed to take the club back with the same amount of hinge action as we have in the through swing?

Hor.hinge: we swing back with a 90* turn of the left wrist. And swing through with 180* of roll.
Angled hinge: we swing back with a 45* turn of the left wrist. And swing through with 90* of roll.
Vert. hinge: we swing back with no turn?? And swing through with no roll.

Is this correct or am I missing something. Do I mix swivel and hinge? please clarify.
6bmike
Swivel on take-away but no hinge action on take-away.

Hinge action is occurs through impact. A swinger will roll or swivel back to square via acc3- hinge action- swivel back on plane to follow through and end. Left hand performs the hinge action and is subtle.

Why doesn't the right hand perform the hinge action? Because the right elbow can not with any consistency bring the clubhead or clubface to sqaure but the LEVEL left wrist does. Passive control on the left - power driver on the right.
Yoda
Originally Posted by Thom Are we supposed to take the club back with the same amount of hinge action as we have in the through swing?

Hor.hinge: we swing back with a 90* turn of the left wrist. And swing through with 180* of roll.
Angled hinge: we swing back with a 45* turn of the left wrist. And swing through with 90* of roll.
Vert. hinge: we swing back with no turn?? And swing through with no roll.

Is this correct or am I missing something. Do I mix swivel and hinge? please clarify.
Rather than use degrees, Thom, let me answer your question in standard TGM concepts and terminology. If you use Hinge Action (10-18-C-1/2) as a substitute for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), then the Left Wrist will remain Vertical to the selected Basic Plane (Horizontal or Angled) in both directions. This Action will also maintain the Clubshaft In Line with the Left Arm and thereby maintain the Rhythm of the Stroke. When integrating this Action into your Total Motion, let the Turn Feel away from the Ball determine the Roll Feel through the Ball (7-10). Be sure to use a mirror and look, LOOK LOOK per 3-B.

Vertical Hinging is not the natural byproduct of either Hitting or Swinging and therefore will always be a deliberate mechanical manipulation. When using it as a substitute for Standard Wrist Action, a Reverse Turn (Counterclockwise Roll) Feel away from the Ball will be followed by a Reverse Roll (clockwise Turn) Feel through the Ball.
Thom
Originally Posted by Yoda Rather than use degrees, Thom, let me answer your question in standard TGM concepts and terminology. If you use Hinge Action (10-18-C-1/2) as a substitute for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), then the Left Wrist will remain Vertical to the selected Basic Plane (Horizontal or Angled) in both directions. This Action will also maintain the Clubshaft In Line with the Left Arm and thereby maintain the Rhythm of the Stroke. When integrating this Action into your Total Motion, let the Turn Feel away from the Ball determine the Roll Feel through the Ball (7-10). Be sure to use a mirror and look, LOOK LOOK per 3-B.

Vertical Hinging is not the natural byproduct of either Hitting or Swinging and therefore will always be a deliberate mechanical manipulation. When using it as a substitute for Standard Wrist Action, a Reverse Turn (Counterclockwise Roll) Feel away from the Ball will be followed by a Reverse Roll (clockwise Turn) Feel through the Ball.
Thanks for your reply.

My confusion was foremost with the vertical hinging. It doesn't feel as if you can be very powerful when you're making the reverse turn in the backswing. But I guess that's why the vertical hinging is used primarily in the short game.

But you can always choose to swing back with standard wrist action and swing down and through the ball with any of the hingeactions, can't you?

As a neohitter I understand why it's suggested in 12-1-0 to use 10-18-C-2 for hitting.
Swingers should use std. wrist action (12-2-0). Are the difference between 10-18-A and 10-18-C-1 the start-up-swivel vs. gradual turning with the hinge action? It seems that they are both ending up in the same position on top.

Lil more fog to be moved please
drewitgolf
They both get to the same position. The Swinger just gets there sooner with the Start Up Swivel.
Thom
Originally Posted by drewitgolf They both get to the same position. The Swinger just gets there sooner with the Start Up Swivel.
So the difference is the start up swivel.
drewitgolf
The Swinger Swivels his left palm to the Plane right away. The Hitter gradually turns the left palm to the Plane.

On the way down, the Swingers makes a karate chop motion down the Plane, a Swivel at Release followed by Hinge Action followed by a Finish Swivel.

The Hitter that gradually turned his palm to the Plane will gradually roll on the way down followed by Hinge Action and a Finish Swivel.
Thom
My question were: Are the difference between 10-18-A and 10-18-C-1 the start-up-swivel vs. gradual turning with the hinge action?
drewitgolf
Originally Posted by Thom My question were: Are the difference between 10-18-A and 10-18-C-1 the start-up-swivel vs. gradual turning with the hinge action?
Sorry Thom,

In my haste to answer, I compared 10-18-A to 10-18-C-2, instead of 10-18-C-1. But to answer your question, you are correct.

Mr. Kelley revised 10-18-C for the sixth edition. In fact if you substitute (last line) NO HAND MOVEMENT for NO HAND MOTION during the Stroke, it may make more sense. 10-18-C-2 does not involve deliberately Turning your Wrists to the Plane in Start Up like Standard Wrist Action.
jermax
How does a hitter go back with angled hinging and get on plane without swiveling the left wrist ? Seems like you would have to lean your body way back to accomplish that which is not the case.. What is the differenc between swiveling and turning or rolling ??