Tour Player Examples at Address

Are there any good examples of tour players with widely photographed swings who have an on-plane right forearm?

I am having a lot of trouble with this concept, and it seems to me that most tour players don't do this. Thanks

Originally Posted by roll - gybe Are there any good examples of tour players with widely photographed swings who have an on-plane right forearm?

I am having a lot of trouble with this concept, and it seems to me that most tour players don't do this. Thanks

Yep. Right on this here website! Hoof it on over to the Hitter's forum and look under the Stuart Appleby (sp?) thread. You'll see the Right Forearm On-Plane at Address AND you'll see EXACTLY how the Right Forearm Flying Wedge assembly is to be used with the clubshaft and right forearm in the SAME plane.

Hustle over there.

does it matter that he's a hitter?


edit: looks like the hosting is not working...
i went here, and it doesn't look on line to me. i really don't get it
http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...09appleby.html

if you go to the video and click forward 7 times, it looks in line, but his club is well into the backswing.

More guys do not have it on Plane for sure...

Why? Dunno. It's not taught...

Not sure if there's any other reasons.

Sergio does it now I think....never used to.

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I wanna know what you guys think...

Cause I've been hitting it better lately w/o it on Plane.

Is it better for certain patterns?

Originally Posted by birdie_man More guys do not have it on Plane for sure...

Why? Dunno. It's not taught...

Not sure if there's any other reasons.

Sergio does it now I think....never used to.

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I wanna know what you guys think...

Cause I've been hitting it better lately w/o it on Plane.

Is it better for certain patterns?

If it's gone git there at impact . . . why not start there?

2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS The geometry of all alignments stems form the Impact geometry requirements. So, the first step in preparation for a Golf Shot is the establishment of the Impact Conditions

Looks like Els does it to me too.

Originally Posted by roll - gybe Are there any good examples of tour players with widely photographed swings who have an on-plane right forearm?

I am having a lot of trouble with this concept, and it seems to me that most tour players don't do this. Thanks

roll-gybe,

You need to understand that whatever move or procedure a Tour Players utilises does not make it correct anymore than not using it makes it wrong.

The issue here is that they have the requisite talent to make the compensations most of the time while we do not.

We "normal" humans need every edge that we can get and that is obtained via eliminating the compensations that are in our swings.

I was under the impression that when using Standard Address the rear shoulder should not be On Plane. Is that not the case?

oops, I meant the right forearm...

Originally Posted by rwh Right Forearm can be on plane with Standard Address.

I agree...please take a look at 9-2-3 #1.

Originally Posted by roll - gybe Are there any good examples of tour players with widely photographed swings who have an on-plane right forearm?

I am having a lot of trouble with this concept, and it seems to me that most tour players don't do this. Thanks

Miguel Angel Jimenez has an on plane right forearm.He's renowned for his lack of work ethic and often arrives for a round without warm up and shoots 62.Perhaps his secret is the on-plane RF,one less compensation that needs constant grooving.

A lot of pros actually have their right forearm close to on-plane.It may not be dead on-plane like Jimenez or Moe Norman but close enough.Mickelson,Appleby,Azinger,Olazabal,Trevino, Hogan,Player,Palmer are all very close to on-plane.

your right there are only a few players on the tour that have right forearm on plane at address.i am not letting the secret out just yet.

Originally Posted by roll - gybe Are there any good examples of tour players with widely photographed swings who have an on-plane right forearm?

I am having a lot of trouble with this concept, and it seems to me that most tour players don't do this. Thanks

Joe Durant? I think Redbeard has some video of him on his site.

Originally Posted by efnef Joe Durant? I think Redbeard has some video of him on his site.

Joe Durant is coached by Ron Gring G.S.E.D

I think Sergio has been putting it right on-plane.

7-8 seems to say that the "impact conditions are not the same as in the address except for the clubshaft angle"... except for 10-9-B which is impact address ( specifically suited for hitters)

If this is the case then right forearm alignment should not be the same at impact as address - no? or maybe yes ? Answers please - i know what you are saying but does the book back up your thoughts?

If you are right then all the differences which occur at impact ( when compared with adjusted address) must occur without moving the forearm alignment. This means shaft leans forward, hands move forward, shoulders open, hips open, spine angle and head try and stay same... is this possible? - It seems so maybe... i am still thinking about it. Hands seem to need to be quite high or body bent over from hips with definite bend in the elbows when seen from behind. Are these optimal conditions for address ? Help please . Pictures would be helpful if you have any of yourselves demonstrating your address positions.

Thanks

For players who do not have their right forearm in line at address but do achieve alignment at impact ( and this would seem to be most tour players ) ... what are they doing to acheive this? It clearly must be something different to those players who start with it at address and maintain alignment at impact.

My basic thinking is that

a)if their address and impact shaft alignments are the same - then they must be bending / dipping to get forearm lower ?

or

b)if their impact shaft if steeper than address - then the shaft has "risen" in line with forearm and their head / body alignments stay fairly similar?

I am "thinking out loud" at moment and fumbling in the dark abit but these thoughts have been in my head for some weeks now and i need some help. It does seem that there are good plyers who dip their head/body to achieve alignment and others who raise their impact shaft alignment to forearm level and maintain body alignments? Maybe... Like I said just thoughts, not beliefs! Thanks !