Strong grips & typical swingers compensations......

What are the typical swinger compensations for a strong grip?

Are they generally faders or drawers of the ball?

Originally Posted by 300Drive What are the typical swinger compensations for a strong grip?

Are they generally faders or drawers of the ball?

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Most of the Swingers with a Strong Grip(10-2-D, or 10-2-F) usually FADE the ball... Lietzke, Duval, Couples. Trevino and Azinger also have a Strong Left Hand Grip, and usually Fade. Some may argue that they are Hitters, but both look to me to Swing, especially on their DRIVERS, AND LONG SHOTS. Trevino says he aims LEFT, and just "BLOCKS IT DOWN THE FAIRWAY." They are probably using ANGLED HINGING.

Ed Fiori "The Grip," has a very Strong Grip, and I believe plays a draw, so it can be done. The Strong 10-2-F grip usually tends to produce FADERS in good players. O'Grady, of course, uses a Strong Grip, and can curve it however he wants.

I switch to a stronger grip if I want to hit more of a draw, or hit it lower/crisper (for tight pitch shots, etc.) or hit it a bit further.

For me, it means more of a draw...

Originally Posted by 300Drive What are the typical swinger compensations for a strong grip?

Are they generally faders or drawers of the ball?

If you have a 10-2-D grip, it means the left hand has already turned towards the plane and this shall be the impact alignment. Having the hand turned does not affect the hinge action as there is no actual roll in hinging, its a movement made by the whole left flying wedge, but it does affect the left wrist action.

Have a look at the golfers flail in 2-K and you have to think logically on how you want the flail and left wristcock motion to operate to emulate the flail. If you want the wristcock to be a perpendicular motion up and down the plane of your hinge action a wrist bend then becomes your wristcock (sketch 2-k#5). Because you have already swiveled or turned the left hand towards the plane, it makes the standard wrist action impossible because there is nothing left to turn towards the plane forcing you to performing single wrist action 10-18-C/1 of cocking and uncocking only. On the other hand if you accept that the flails swivel joint has turned already, your wristcock motion then will be visually flat and on plane(sketch 2-K#4).

With the vertical wrist action flail of 2-K#5 you can maintain your impact fix degree of right wrist bend and maintain the precision impact alignments of the flying wedges. However if the left wrist cock is onplane 2-K#4 the line of the wrist cock works also on the line of the right wrist bend which is why it is called double action but it destroys the precision alignment of the right flying wedge.

Matt-

.......Got to go to a meeting, but, I will get with your post later, sounds like there is some fog lifting in there for me......

Originally Posted by 300Drive Matt-

.......Got to go to a meeting, but, I will get with your post later, sounds like there is some fog lifting in there for me......

Not only for you, I found as I was writing my incubator was on overdrive. My above post is just stating things and my assumptions. When I look at the onplane wrist action diagram of 2-K#4 have a look at the swivel joint and how underneath it Homer shows an arrow labeled 'left arm'. It can only be my assumption that the swivel then becomes a swivel of the 'entire left arm' as apposed to that of the 'left forearm' with the vertical flail action of 2-K#5.

Nothing to Turn to the Plane assuming you are using a full-blown 10-2-D.....i.e. Turned all the way to the Plane.....I don't think many ppl do this....."strong" (as thems common folk call it) grips are generally in between 10-2-B and 10-2-D.....as I'm sure you know.

Originally Posted by 300Drive What are the typical swinger compensations for a strong grip?

Faster clubhead speed to match the clubface closure.

Are they generally faders or drawers of the ball?

Fader-clubhead slightly ahead of clubface closure.
Drawer-clubhead slightly behind clubface closure.

Originally Posted by birdie_man Nothing to Turn to the Plane assuming you are using a full-blown 10-2-D.....i.e. Turned all the way to the Plane.....I don't think many ppl do this....."strong" (as thems common folk call it) grips are generally in between 10-2-B and 10-2-D.....as I'm sure you know.

Only when the both the B and D variations are understood will the degrees between be easy to see.....