In Swinging when does the player first feel the #4 pressure point? A few years ago when Len Matice almost won the Masters, I noticed that before every shot he would pull his shirt sleave up on his left arm and move his left upper arm against his left side as if to establish his #4 ppt.
Originally Posted by johngolf33
In Swinging when does the player first feel the #4 pressure point? A few years ago when Len Matice almost won the Masters, I noticed that before every shot he would pull his shirt sleave up on his left arm and move his left upper arm against his left side as if to establish his #4 ppt.
Swingers (and Four Barrel Hitters) Load the #4 Pressure Point (with the Pivot) in the Start Down.
Originally Posted by johngolf33
In Swinging when does the player first feel the #4 pressure point? A few years ago when Len Matice almost won the Masters, I noticed that before every shot he would pull his shirt sleave up on his left arm and move his left upper arm against his left side as if to establish his #4 ppt.
I first really felt pp4 when I started to mess around with extensor action. You have to have a really solid structure of your left arm and clubshaft for your pivot to be able to throw the entire primary lever assembly (left arm and clubshaft) into impact.. An analogy for extensor action would be pulling the needle(club) so that the thread (left arm) becomes tight - At the top of the backstroke you want your pivot to drive against a really tight rope - you can't do it with a loose one. The left arm or rope is moved by the pivot it does not move by itself....
Taut, maybe, not tight. No tension in the swing. Perhaps this is semantics, but we don't want to convey the need for tension.
Originally Posted by Mathew
I first really felt pp4 when I started to mess around with extensor action. You have to have a really solid structure of your left arm and clubshaft for your pivot to be able to throw the entire primary lever assembly (left arm and clubshaft) into impact.. An analogy for extensor action would be pulling the needle(club) so that the thread (left arm) becomes tight - At the top of the backstroke you want your pivot to drive against a really tight rope - you can't do it with a loose one. The left arm or rope is moved by the pivot it does not move by itself....
Mathew,
This is a hell of a post. I have never considered Extensor Action in this light. "You want your pivot to drive against a tight rope." That is super. I always wondered if Extensor Action was less critical to the Swingers Motion. But this post should be in the archives for Swingers.
How strong are you "tugging?" Do you have an analogy as to the level of "effort" in your extensor action?
Great post man!
B
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Mathew,
This is a hell of a post. I have never considered Extensor Action in this light. "You want your pivot to drive against a tight rope." That is super. I always wondered if Extensor Action was less critical to the Swingers Motion. But this post should be in the archives for Swingers.
How strong are you "tugging?" Do you have an analogy as to the level of "effort" in your extensor action?
Great post man!
B
I personally can't apply too much extensor action if done correctly. The lever assembly is always driven by applying pressure against it and in the swingers procedure this is the pivot applying pressure where the left arm is against the chest. If the left arm is not being pulled aggressively with extensor action, the pivot has a floppy and weak left arm structure to drive into impact.
Originally Posted by Mathew
I personally can't apply too much extensor action if done correctly. The lever assembly is always driven by applying pressure against it and in the swingers procedure this is the pivot applying pressure where the left arm is against the chest. If the left arm is not being pulled aggressively with extensor action, the pivot has a floppy and weak left arm structure to drive into impact.
Me likey. So in essence you have "pre-loaded" pp4 via Extensor Action prior to the load imparted by the Pivot?
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Me likey. So in essence you have "pre-loaded" pp4 via Extensor Action prior to the load imparted by the Pivot?
Hmmm... not sure exactly what your meaning
PP4 is loaded on the backstroke and your left arm contacts the chest at the top. Once your at the top of the backstroke you feel this pressure and you concentrate on increasing
the pressure (don't think about directions - just the pressure) as much as possible all the while maintaining a stationary head - releasing no.4.
That's as specific as I was looking for, thank you!
Matt
Also I just want to add a few things since we're on topic. As pp3 is aggresively applying extensor action (you really feel pp3) that pressure is also onplane. When you look at 1-L and the hinge, notice that the secondary hinge in the dual horizontal hinge action, that lifts the left arm up and down which actually is what the magic of the right forearm is all about - any bending of the right arm with extensor action will lift the left arm in a circular motion around its pin. In the dual horizontal hinge the left arm is lifted till the top of the backstroke, goes back down till low point and then lifts again till the finish of the stroke. The constant 'onplane' pressure of pp3 towards the plane line as pp4 drives the lever assembly is what drops the left arm onto the ball...
Because the stretch is also onplane as pp4 pressure is created against the lever assembly, and the fact pp3 is also on the plane and your pp3 won't be offplane (I hope), as the pressure of pp4 works against the onplane pressure of pp3, this tilts the spine and drops the right shoulder axis tilt until pp3 can trace down the plane line.
Also the pressure of pp3 towards the plane line is what keeps the level condition of the right wrist....
Originally Posted by Mathew
Also I just want to add a few things since we're on topic. As pp3 is aggresively applying extensor action (you really feel pp3) that pressure is also onplane. When you look at 1-L and the hinge, notice that the secondary hinge in the dual horizontal hinge action, that lifts the left arm up and down which actually is what the magic of the right forearm is all about - any bending of the right arm with extensor action will lift the left arm in a circular motion around its pin. In the dual horizontal hinge the left arm is lifted till the top of the backstroke, goes back down till low point and then lifts again till the finish of the stroke. The constant 'onplane' pressure of pp3 towards the plane line as pp4 drives the lever assembly is what drops the left arm onto the ball...
Because the stretch is also onplane as pp4 pressure is created against the lever assembly, and the fact pp3 is also on the plane and your pp3 won't be offplane (I hope), as the pressure of pp4 works against the onplane pressure of pp3, this tilts the spine and drops the right shoulder axis tilt until pp3 can trace down the plane line.
Also the pressure of pp3 towards the plane line is what keeps the level condition of the right wrist....
Mathew,
Regarding your recent posts...
WOW!
Originally Posted by Yoda
Mathew,
Regarding your recent posts...
WOW!
All thanks to you, I wouldn't understand 1/4 of what I did without you
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Originally Posted by Mathew
...as the pressure of pp4 works against the onplane pressure of pp3, this tilts the spine and drops the right shoulder axis tilt until pp3 can trace down the plane line.
Also the pressure of pp3 towards the plane line is what keeps the level condition of the right wrist....
Mathew,
By "work against the onplane pressure of pp3", do you mean it exerts force against lag? Just trying to clear the fog. I understand and am clear on the rest. Good post.
Good posts here!
Some additional information on this can be found in the recent thread about CONNECTION.
As far as #4... what about 3 Barrel Hitting? No #4, or just very pasive?
Originally Posted by Daryl
Mathew,
By "work against the onplane pressure of pp3", do you mean it exerts force against lag? Just trying to clear the fog. I understand and am clear on the rest. Good post.
The force of extensor action with pp3 does not move the left arm and does not create clubhead lag - the stressing of the shaft.
PP4 works against the onplane pressure of pp3 until the spine tilts so that acc4 can thrust pp3 down the plane line. pp4 is trying to move the lever assembly out and pp3 is work against pp4 thats trying to take it offplane, the only way acc4 can move so that pp3 can trace that plane line is if the spine tilts and that right shoulder goes downplane.
Mathew,
Is this correct? For some reason, I have to get it into my own words to understand.
The upper torso must tilt and turn (pivot motion, right shoulder down plane) so that the #4 pressure point carries the #3 pressure point into release so that it can trace the plane line.
That's one reason (of many) that one cannot pull with the left arm only to start the downswing (a lot of topped shots).
It's just that I always thought the #3 pressure point is aiming from the top. Your explanation seems to work better.
Originally Posted by Daryl
Mathew,
Is this correct? For some reason, I have to get it into my own words to understand.
The upper torso must tilt and turn (pivot motion, right shoulder down plane) so that the #4 pressure point carries the #3 pressure point into release so that it can trace the plane line.
That's one reason (of many) that one cannot pull with the left arm only to start the downswing (a lot of topped shots).
It's just that I always thought the #3 pressure point is aiming from the top. Your explanation seems to work better.
The entire spine must tilt. The fact that pressure point 4 is working against the onplane pressure provided by extensor action means there is nothing else the body can do but tilt as pp4 is applied.
After trying it I came to the following conclusion. Tilting gives a downward force to the #4pp.
