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The Float Load, or Down Cocking Action seems to be seldom used or recommended anymore. Do most of you see this as a less desirable procedure? It does seem to cause some timing problems, and may tend to make some STEEP.

However, Mr. Nicklaus did quite well with this action.

What do you think is the proper, and improper way to execute this procedure?

I float load and as long as your rythym is fine, the swing has a completely effortless feeling.

The problems with it are "over doing the float" and getting under the sweet spot and you start lagging the hosel.

BTW shot my first 18 of the year last friday and shot +1 so it works.

Originally Posted by jim_0068 I float load and as long as your rythym is fine, the swing has a completely effortless feeling.

The problems with it are "over doing the float" and getting under the sweet spot and you start lagging the hosel.

BTW shot my first 18 of the year last friday and shot +1 so it works.

Jim,

I have memberships at both the Joliet Country club and Bolingbrook golf club and would enjoy having you down sometime this summer and get to meet another TGM'er. I know a couple of scratch players that would like to get together with you and take some money off of me. I'll load up the pockets. Hmm, maybe we'll just take theirs?

If interested, pm me late next week when I get back in town.

Originally Posted by Daryl Jim,

I have memberships at both the Joliet Country club and Bolingbrook golf club and would enjoy having you down sometime this summer and get to meet another TGM'er. I know a couple of scratch players that would like to get together with you and take some money off of me. I'll load up the pockets. Hmm, maybe we'll just take theirs?

If interested, pm me late next week when I get back in town.

Will do! I'd love to come down

Originally Posted by jim_0068 Will do! I'd love to come down

Great Jim. I look forward to meeting you. Play 18, lunch, then another 18. Let's talk next week.

Originally Posted by lagster The Float Load, or Down Cocking Action seems to be seldom used or recommended anymore. Do most of you see this as a less desirable procedure? It does seem to cause some timing problems, and may tend to make some STEEP.

However, Mr. Nicklaus did quite well with this action.

What do you think is the proper, and improper way to execute this procedure?

I am a Swinger and use a Float Loading procedure. So far, there does not seem to be any problems. The only side effect thus far is that I hit it long and straight.

I think such a procedure really helps the smaller guys like me (5'9 and 155 lbs) keep up distance wise with the bigger boys. After mastering this procedure, my swing speed went up from 115mph when I was using a Full Sweep Release to 124mph.

Originally Posted by comdpa I am a Swinger and use a Float Loading procedure. After mastering this procedure, my swing speed went up from 115mph using a Full Sweep Release to 124mph.

Comdpa,

I'm trying to understand this.

You float load and sweep release?
How does that combo work?

Do you immediately begin releasing as soon as you have loaded the accumulators on the downstroke?

Thanks,

Bagger

i may be wrong, but i think he meant he used to use a sweep release when he swung at 115mph

Originally Posted by comdpa After mastering this procedure, my swing speed went up from 115mph using a Full Sweep Release to 124mph.

That is one helluva clubhead speed you got, up there with the big boys on the PGA Tour! This stuff works!

Originally Posted by jim_0068 i may be wrong, but i think he meant he used to use a sweep release when he swung at 115mph

Thanks for the clarification jim_0068, that was spot on.

Originally Posted by tongzilla That is one helluva clubhead speed you got, up there with the big boys on the PGA Tour! This stuff works!

You are right Tongz, TGM is the real deal. The difference between a Full Sweep and an Auto Snap...as depicted in the photo below.

Per 6-N-O: "The earlier in the Downstroke the Release occurs, the larger, longer and slower the Release Arc will be for both the Clubhead and Hands. Other things being equal, this will require Higher Hand Speed to produce yardage equivalent to that of the short, quick Arc of the Maximum Delay.

This involves Angular Speed which is measured by the number of degrees of an Arc through which the motion moves per second. From Release to Impact is just so many degrees of travel - at the Left Shoulder and/or at the Left Wrist. Doubling the travel time (for instance) halves the travel rate. Also see 2-P and 7-23."

Also see 2-K#6 - The Endless Belt Effect.

Great photos Comdpa! - You made the switch between the two release types and have added tonnes of MPH but few questions if I may -

what did you work on to achieve this effect?

Also what "feels" have you noted now that you did not have before?

And how do you apply extensor action with such a bent right elbow at release?

Noticed that you not been posting much recently - good to have you back, thanks!

Originally Posted by golfbulldog Great photos Comdpa! - You made the switch between the two release types and have added tonnes of MPH but few questions if I may -

what did you work on to achieve this effect?

Also what "feels" have you noted now that you did not have before?

And how do you apply extensor action with such a bent right elbow at release?

Noticed that you not been posting much recently - good to have you back, thanks!

Hi golfbulldog,

Thanks for the kind words. Never thought that absence from posting will be noticed. Have been real busy juggling my day job in banking as well as my golf teaching business.

Big Fish Golf will be rolling out their new line of golf apparel in the ensuing months, so that also adds to the demands on our time.

Let me answer your questions in sequence.

1)What did you work on to achieve this effect?

6-B-1-C
6-B-2-C
6-B-3-C
6-B-4-C

2) What "feels" have you noted now that you did not have before?

-The shaft feels more like a buggy whip now.
-Right Elbow is more bent at release point per 7-3.
-More power with the same effort.

3) How do you apply extensor action with such a bent right elbow at release?

To be honest, I don't even think of it. It just happens.

If you want the full swing clip of this picture, just drop me a PM with your email address.

I would love to hear Lynn chime in on this. From what I see in his available swing sequences, I believe he utilizes the same procedure.

The difference I believe, is that Lynn uses a Top Power Package Assembly Point (10-21-A) where I use End (10-21-C).

He then uses a Straight Line Power Package Delivery Path (10-23-A) whereas using an End position necessitates a Top Arc and Straight Line Path (10-23-C).

I am working towards what Lynn is doing to produce per 6-C-2-D, an even Higher Thrust Low Speed Impact.

Regards...

Originally Posted by lagster The Float Load, or Down Cocking Action seems to be seldom used or recommended anymore. Do most of you see this as a less desirable procedure? It does seem to cause some timing problems, and may tend to make some STEEP.

However, Mr. Nicklaus did quite well with this action.

What do you think is the proper, and improper way to execute this procedure?

It's the most advanced procedure, which demands tremendous talent to handle the "timing" issue.

Just gave a lesson today:

A little "float loading" fixed my student right up. Main issue was an over rolling of the left forearm during the takeaway which would cause all HEAPS of issues.

Once i introduced a lagging clubhead takeaway and a little float loading his swing speed increased from 102-105 to 115-118 in our 2 hours lesson.

It also fixed his over rolling motion and allowed him to swing ON PLANE and also get the right shoulder downplane.

This stuff works!