TGM Croker Golf Analysis

To All,
Since Peter Croker posts on this site, I felt it would be ok to add these comments here. There also is another thread here discussing the TGM definitions by Paul Hart, GSED on Peter's site.



I just finished watching the TGM CGS analysis by Paul Hart, GSED from Australia and Peter Croker. I must say that it is a MUST SEE by all those who have had exposure to CGS, who are on the “Path to Better Golf” using the CGS or just looking for a fresh approach. In my humble opinion, it may be Peter’s best conceptual work to date.

Peter and Paul have done an excellent job explaining the CGS using the TGM 24 components and then some. There is a lot of additional information by Peter to explain what he is thinking and feeling. Insights that are very valuable with details clearly understood.

Paul’s final analysis on CGS stroke pattern will surprise some. The reasons why are insightful. If I say any more, I’ll give away the ending.

Thanks to both Peter and Paul for taking the time to make this analysis possible.

Cheers,

Lee Deitrick

PS: Lynn, thanks for having an open forum where we can post this for those interested in TGM.
The analysis can be found at http://www.crokergolf.com/swing_analysis.htm. It costs $3.00 but worth every penny.

Originally Posted by ldeit To All,
Since Peter Croker posts on this site, I felt it would be ok to add these comments here. There also is another thread here discussing the TGM definitions by Paul Hart, GSED on Peter's site.



I just finished watching the TGM CGS analysis by Paul Hart, GSED from Australia and Peter Croker. I must say that it is a MUST SEE by all those who have had exposure to CGS, who are on the “Path to Better Golf” using the CGS or just looking for a fresh approach. In my humble opinion, it may be Peter’s best conceptual work to date.

Peter and Paul have done an excellent job explaining the CGS using the TGM 24 components and then some. There is a lot of additional information by Peter to explain what he is thinking and feeling. Insights that are very valuable with details clearly understood.

Paul’s final analysis on CGS stroke pattern will surprise some. The reasons why are insightful. If I say any more, I’ll give away the ending.

Thanks to both Peter and Paul for taking the time to make this analysis possible.

Cheers,

Lee Deitrick

PS: Lynn, thanks for having an open forum where we can post this for those interested in TGM.
The analysis can be found at http://www.crokergolf.com/swing_analysis.htm. It costs $3.00 but worth every penny.

I ordered the videos.I can view but cannot hear them.any help

beetlejuice

You can ask him in that CGS forum.

Originally Posted by ldeit To All,
Since Peter Croker posts on this site, I felt it would be ok to add these comments here. There also is another thread here discussing the TGM definitions by Paul Hart, GSED on Peter's site.



I just finished watching the TGM CGS analysis by Paul Hart, GSED from Australia and Peter Croker. I must say that it is a MUST SEE by all those who have had exposure to CGS, who are on the “Path to Better Golf” using the CGS or just looking for a fresh approach. In my humble opinion, it may be Peter’s best conceptual work to date.

Peter and Paul have done an excellent job explaining the CGS using the TGM 24 components and then some. There is a lot of additional information by Peter to explain what he is thinking and feeling. Insights that are very valuable with details clearly understood.

Paul’s final analysis on CGS stroke pattern will surprise some. The reasons why are insightful. If I say any more, I’ll give away the ending.

Thanks to both Peter and Paul for taking the time to make this analysis possible.

Cheers,

Lee Deitrick

PS: Lynn, thanks for having an open forum where we can post this for those interested in TGM.
The analysis can be found at http://www.crokergolf.com/swing_analysis.htm. It costs $3.00 but worth every penny.

Couldn't agree with you more on the quality and findings of Paul's analysis...and more importantly on Yoda allowing a forum that is open to all that is TGM and those that may have diverse opinions provided that it is presented in a dignified manner.

I am quite sure that Homer would enjoy seeing the directions that TGM has taken and would also be open-minded to at least evaluate and analyze the varying approaches to his teachings that others have undertaken...whether one considers it TGM "pure" or not should not close one's mind to it's merits or possibilities...if only to substantiate one's own belief and understanding. Homer's work was not completed after his first edition...it was an ever evolving learning process.

Originally Posted by ldeit To All,
Since Peter Croker posts on this site, I felt it would be ok to add these comments here. There also is another thread here discussing the TGM definitions by Paul Hart, GSED on Peter's site.



I just finished watching the TGM CGS analysis by Paul Hart, GSED from Australia and Peter Croker. I must say that it is a MUST SEE by all those who have had exposure to CGS, who are on the “Path to Better Golf” using the CGS or just looking for a fresh approach. In my humble opinion, it may be Peter’s best conceptual work to date.

Peter and Paul have done an excellent job explaining the CGS using the TGM 24 components and then some. There is a lot of additional information by Peter to explain what he is thinking and feeling. Insights that are very valuable with details clearly understood.

Paul’s final analysis on CGS stroke pattern will surprise some. The reasons why are insightful. If I say any more, I’ll give away the ending.

Thanks to both Peter and Paul for taking the time to make this analysis possible.

Cheers,

Lee Deitrick

PS: Lynn, thanks for having an open forum where we can post this for those interested in TGM.
The analysis can be found at http://www.crokergolf.com/swing_analysis.htm. It costs $3.00 but worth every penny.

This is my personal viewpoint. I don’t know what everyone else thinks, but each of us is entitled to our own opinion.

I strongly disagree with your post. Our forum sponsor - Lynn Blake Golf, and we its members, apply the TGM approach under each others scrutiny. Through our willingness to jointly discuss topics, problems and solutions we gain a better understanding of the components and Homer Kelley’s special instructions. I dislike a situation when the response is 'go buy the video if you want more answers'. This is a discussion forum, not a sales forum. If Peter Croker wishes to participate, then do so under the same scrutiny that we all enjoy. Also, if CGS and Paul Harts analysis meet your standards, then lucky you because it falls sadly short of mine. But I'm not going to use this forum to criticize anyone else’s approach to golf or TGM. I'm leaving it at that.

Originally Posted by Daryl This is my personal viewpoint. I don’t know what everyone else thinks, but each of us is entitled to our own opinion.

I strongly disagree with your post. Our forum sponsor - Lynn Blake Golf, and we its members, apply the TGM approach under each others scrutiny. Through our willingness to jointly discuss topics, problems and solutions we gain a better understanding of the components and Homer Kelley’s special instructions. I dislike a situation when the response is 'go buy the video if you want more answers'. This is a discussion forum, not a sales forum. If Peter Croker wishes to participate, then do so under the same scrutiny that we all enjoy. Also, if CGS and Paul Harts analysis meet your standards, then lucky you because it falls sadly short of mine. But I'm not going to use this forum to criticize anyone else’s approach to golf or TGM. I'm leaving it at that.

Daryl,

What are your golfing credentials...golf instructor, tour player??? Why does the Paul Hart analysis fall sadly short of your standards?

DG

I think the "standard" Daryl is refering to is the standard of sharing information without attaching a marketing agenda to it. If I'm correct, he doesn't need to provide credentials for having that opinion. I share that opinion.
However, there will come a time when LBG will provide content for a fee; Primarly videos in the form of DVD's and even perhaps fee-based downloading of video. However, when the time comes we will resist promoting this on other golf instruction sites unless a partnership arrangement is made in advance.

Thanks,

Bagger

Lynn,


Your comments are well thought out!

"I appreciate so much the concerns of each here -- Lee to spread the word; Daryl to constrain 'freebie' advertising on a site that has taken a great deal of time, effort and money to build; and DG to protect Tommy's Australian video legacy."

I want to spread the word when something clear and informative regarding TGM is available. This helps TGM.

There is a lot of miss information about TGM out there. I can remember hearing that Tom Tomasello’s stroke pattern was a hitter with horizontal hinging of which I am sure DG would disagree.

My intent was to let other TGMer’s know about the analysis. Peter talks of push, push, etc., it is assumed that his stroke pattern is hitting because he uses the word push. It is not and Paul’s final analysis of why, even with the push emphasis, I felt was insightful and informative for those of us who study TGM.

My error was to include the link and mention the cost. For that, Daryl, Bagger, and Lynn I apologize.

Lee Deitrick

Originally Posted by Delaware Golf Daryl,

What are your golfing credentials...golf instructor, tour player??? Why does the Paul Hart analysis fall sadly short of your standards?

DG

DG,

That’s a fair question. What are my credentials?

Golfing ability: Nothing that would impress you nor anyone else.
TGM Knowledge: A little above average.
TGM True Believer: Like the Original.
Years playing Golf: 40

I respect Peter Croker and have told him so and have said as much in this forum. Paul Hart has a G.S.E.D. I don’t have his qualifications.

I have always thought of this site as a “Pure TGM Zone”. I became a little upset at the recommendation and probably said too much. It’s one of my character flaws. I have many.


Please accept my apology.

And: Lynn, I apologize for stepping on toes.

Originally Posted by Daryl DG,

That’s a fair question. What are my credentials?

Golfing ability: Nothing that would impress you nor anyone else.
TGM Knowledge: A little above average.
TGM True Believer: Like the Original.
Years playing Golf: 40

I respect Peter Croker and have told him so and have said as much in this forum. Paul Hart has a G.S.E.D. I don’t have his qualifications.

I have always thought of this site as a “Pure TGM Zone”. I became a little upset at the recommendation and probably said too much. It’s one of my character flaws. I have many.


Please accept my apology.

And: Lynn, I apologize for stepping on toes.

Daryl,

Fair reply...I haven't seen the Paul Hart analysis, I was just trying to find out what you thought was wrong? However, I think the $3 one pays to view the video...for what I have seen of Paul for free, I would have to assume the video at $3 is totally underpriced. If the cost was $60 or more it might be a different story.

I have yet to see any of the AI's try to take advantage of the forum members (moneywise) on any of the TGM sites.

Cheers to free knowledge and the opportunity to pay for quality education!!!

Play Ball!!!


DG

Bagger,

Here is the info for you as close as I can be to the video script. You were correct!

10-4-0: Stroke Variation
Paul: What Peter is describing here is a classic 2,3,4 stroke variation, a classic swinging action. Peter describes the feeling here as a right arm pushing down action through the ball. I know centrifugal force is overpowering his muscular force, I would call that extensor action. And he has found that very useful to stop any impact fallout or deceleration through impact. So he has inadvertently discovered the “Magic of Extensor Action” in the swing.
Peter: It definitely connects everything up. I feel a good structure through the ball and a connection between the hands and the hips.
Paul: We call that rhythm.

10-11-0 Pressure Points
Paul: Peter is using the classic #2, #3 PP. He keeps talking about this #1 PP here. In my world, its not actually a driving force, its an extensor action force which keeps your swing structure solid. Keep extension there, through follow through point.
Peter: the other thing I feel #1 does for me is it gets the right side continuing on through. It does not hang back which takes pressure off the back.

Closing
Paul: …its not what I thought it was. I had your system as about push here and a push there. But the only pushing I see is all about structure and extensor action. Bracing up the swing through impact. So it’s a …classic swing technique.

Lee

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DG,

Yes, I would say it is underpriced.

Lee