right wrist bend

jerry1967
how much should the right wrist bend back at the top of the backswing or at address?
Yoda
Originally Posted by jerry1967
how much should the right wrist bend back at the top of the backswing or at address?
No later than The Top, the Right Wrist should achieve its Impact Fix degree of Bend, i.e., its Impact alignment. Then, ideally, this same Bend will be maintained through Impact to at least the end of the Follow-Through (the Both Arms Straight position).

Typically, the Impact Fix degree of Bend will increase as the Ball is moved towards Low Point (Down Plane) and decrease as it is moved away from it (Up Plane).
tongzilla
Originally Posted by Yoda Typically, the Impact Fix degree of Bend will increase as the Ball is moved towards Low Point (Down Plane) and decrease as it is moved away from it (Up Plane).
Will this increase in right wrist Bend lead to an Arching of the left wrist?
jerry1967
what i am asking is a answer in degrees? -------you have hit on another problem i am having-not getting both arms extented in the follow through.could you give me a reason and a fix for this problem?
bray
Originally Posted by jerry1967 what i am asking is a answer in degrees? -------you have hit on another problem i am having-not getting both arms extented in the follow through.could you give me a reason and a fix for this problem?

I have been told it's between 30 and 45 degrees right wrist bend at impact for a right handed golfer. I was told this by a top teacher who posts on this site, but he also told me that the measurements aren't that important.

I believe Yoda's post is also very helpful above.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray
Yoda
Originally Posted by jerry1967
What I am asking is an answer in degrees...
Fortunately, Jerry, you will find no such answer in The Golfing Machine.

Homer Kelley's Star System of Golf provides practical aid for Golfers where they need it most: On the Golf Course. He had no interest in laboratory measurements, although he stated that the lab would show those he defined to be "well within acceptable tolerances" (1-H). Further, in the three Golf Stroke Engineering Master classes he lived to conduct, he was openly skeptical of any golfer being able to see -- much less achieve in actual play -- "eight degrees" of this or that. The whole thing just happens too fast and varies from Golfer to Golfer and Stroke to Stroke.

Accordingly, he was interested in defining relationships only in terms that can be checked visually (and thus be reliably applied). These include, for example, "flat, parallel, horizontal, vertical, straight, On Plane or centered" because there is "no question of degree in such alignments" (1-C). So, other than the application of Normal Force -- at right angles (90 degrees) -- Component Relationships are defined in terms of a geometric figure, not in terms of degrees.

Given the already daunting nature of the book, consider it one of Homer's 'tender mercies.'
EC
"Accordingly, he was interested in defining relationships only in terms that can be checked visually (and thus be reliably applied)."

Hence, my past reference to the three most important words in TGM...LOOK,LOOK,LOOK. As I've said before, those who have "put in the time" will know. See the alignments (look), feel the alignments and the forces they produce, and incubate and memorize ALL OF THEIR RAMIFICATIONS.

EC
Yoda
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Will this increase in right wrist Bend lead to an Arching of the left wrist?
No, the increased (or decreased) Right Wrist Bend has no effect on the Flat Left Wrist. The 90 degree Flying Wedges alignment -- palm to palm -- remains intact. The degree of Right Wrist Bend is merely a function of Right Elbow Location at Impact (6-C-2-A).

This is the value of utilizing the Flat Left Wrist -- and not the Bent Right Wrist -- as the veneer control (via Hinge Action) of the Clubface. Regardless of Ball Position and Right Elbow Location, the Left Wrist is Flat at Impact.
tball88
If the right wrist bend does increase in the backswing, do you have to somewhat release it on the downswing to get back to flat at impact??

I've always been confused by this, as the Tom Tomasello video seems to indicate you should try to unbend the wrist, however, he states the pivot will not allow you unbend it too much.
ThinkingPlus
Originally Posted by tball88 If the right wrist bend does increase in the backswing, do you have to somewhat release it on the downswing to get back to flat at impact??

I've always been confused by this, as the Tom Tomasello video seems to indicate you should try to unbend the wrist, however, he states the pivot will not allow you unbend it too much.
For most folks, the right wrist should never be flat at impact (VJ is an exception to this recommendation). In fact it can be maintained in a bent position until well after impact. Keeping the left wrist flat and the right wrist bent before, during, and somewhat after impact seems to help me maximize compression which is a huge step in improving one's ball striking.
tball88
I meant to indicate to get the left wrist back to flat. If you have the left wrist bowed at the top, do you have to get it back to flat by impact?
ThinkingPlus
Originally Posted by tball88 I meant to indicate to get the left wrist back to flat. If you have the left wrist bowed at the top, do you have to get it back to flat by impact?
I don't think it necessarily must return to flat at impact (although flat is always recommended). It can be slightly bowed at impact although other adjustments must be made to accomodate (others can weigh in here). Most folks just establish their wedges and keep'em that way (KISS approach).