Still somewhat new to TGM, but Im confused about hitting and swinging. Ive got Martin Greens video which is pretty good and have seen Crokers downloads, but Im not sure if "pushing" always equals "hitting", or if its still a CF swing?
Would you say Green is TGM?
www.mgga.net
(If you click on his "tip of the month" you can see his swing.)
Curious as to whether Yoda favors hitting (pushing?) to swinging for the average Joe.
Thanks...
I think it's pretty much whatever you do best man.
However you can accelerate that club best to produce the 3 Imparatives most consistently....
...and straight compressed powerful shots.
I think if your strong but lack flexability say like Hal Sutton you may be better suited to hitting. Opposite with swinging.
thanks guys, seems like everyone from Green, to Coker, Evershed etc are Yellow Book deciples.
Birdie, have you ever heard of this Leslie King guy?
www.golfpro-online.com/tuition/lking/index.html
Definately a hands lead pivot guy....
I have heard Peter Croker's swing analysis by a G.S.E.D.. He says this is a SWING. His talk about PUSHING, is relating more to Extensor Action.
Green... looks like a SWING also.
Hi ColtsFan,
I know you asked birdie_man but i thought i'd reply as i was taught for about a year by a professional who was taught by Ledley King and graduated from his golf school in Knightsbridge.
IMO he has some interesting ideas but as an overall package it didn't help me, in fact to be honest it destroyed me. I found starting down with the hands particulary hard to implement and also the 'on-line' follow through i was taught didn't seem that compatable with an on-plane downswing.
I must stress though my experience shouldn't be taken as a reflection on Ledley King just how his method was taught to me.
hey Danny,
interesting, so have you found more consistency starting down with your hips instead of your hands? I know the hips starting the DS tends to be the tradtional method, but didnt Homer like a hands lead pivot?
lagster,
Green's got a nice swing, but he doesnt seem to be pulling down with his left arm. In fact in his video he he feels that a pulling action leads to having to make a last second flip of the hands to square it up.
He does seem to incorporate the 3 TGM imperatives in his motion...
ColtsFan, Homer wants you to monitor your hands but for a swinger like me they are pulled down by your body, the bump of the hips allows them to be pulled down on plane.
For me starting with the hands made my downswing very quick, i would loose my lag pressure too early and suffer from snap hooks.
Overacceleration....(casting)...
Ya....you try to direct your hands to a spot...(at or ahead of the ball or wherever you're aiming your thrust...this is Aiming Point).....but what ACTUALLY moves them is your body.
Watch Hogan.....mad hip slide.....(without his head moving forward too much- this is how Axis Tilt [spine tilt] happens BTW).....watch his left knee....move towards the target.
Mind in the hands tho (where you are directing them)....but the body does the actual moving of them.
Thanks Peter, I really like your site btw. I'd heard you and Martin Green had worked together for a while, and I just got his "Push for Perfection" video. The cart and the horse analogy that Anikan mentioned and Martin talked about in his video have cleared things up.
Im sticking to the TGM "swing model" after some great success I had a couple nights ago keeping a FLW and ending up in the "Chanpions at Impact" pictures here on Lynns site.
I was amazed after just taking a real easy, smooth swing how far and straight I hit the ball. Just concentrated on an exagerated FLW and keeping my head over my right knee at impact. IM SOLD ON TGM!
Originally Posted by ColtsFan
.....some great success I had a couple nights ago keeping a FLW and ending up in the "Chanpions at Impact" pictures here on Lynns site.
I was amazed after just taking a real easy, smooth swing how far and straight I hit the ball. Just concentrated on an exagerated FLW and keeping my head over my right knee at impact. IM SOLD ON TGM!
Understanding impact - seeing it - the image in your mind, is a very powerful thing.
Congratulations on being able to "imagine impact" and getting the results that follow
EdZ,
With regards to imagination, Ive got Ernie Els book and video, would you say he was a TGM preferred swinger before Leadbetter? His tempo is incredible and in looking at his impact position in the book, it looks very much like the "Champions at Impact" pictures.
I know there is no ONE TGM swing per say, but Ive heard guys like Toms, Elkington, old Els swing, and Hogan may be considered TGM model swingers?
Thanks
Originally Posted by ColtsFan
EdZ,
With regards to imagination, Ive got Ernie Els book and video, would you say he was a TGM preferred swinger before Leadbetter? His tempo is incredible and in looking at his impact position in the book, it looks very much like the "Champions at Impact" pictures.
I know there is no ONE TGM swing per say, but Ive heard guys like Toms, Elkington, old Els swing, and Hogan may be considered TGM model swingers?
Thanks
Indeed - few have the 'swinging force' as well as Els does. Couples, Snead, Jones are other prime examples.
[quote=lagster]I have heard Peter Croker's swing analysis by a G.S.E.D.. He says this is a SWING. His talk about PUSHING, is relating more to Extensor Action.
Dear Lagster,
In the swing analysis done by Paul Hart (G.S.E.D.)I give my "preferred motion."
However for someone starting out into learning to swing a golf club, a shorter "Hitting" motion has less moving parts.
To me it is an evolution. The more skilled you become, the more relaxed you can make your muscles and the more the centrifugal force can take effect.
Alignments are first and then power follows. That is my take on it at this point in time.
Kind Regards,
Peter
Originally Posted by ColtsFan
Still somewhat new to TGM, but Im confused about hitting and swinging. Have seen Croker's downloads, but Im not sure if "pushing" always equals "hitting", or if its still a CF swing?
Thanks...
Dear Coltsfan,
Just to clear a definition: Pushing = Pressure against something and maintained or increased.
You cannot move anything in this universe without involving a "pushing action" unless a vacuum is involved.
Therefore when I define "Pushing" I am always looking to the "Pressure Points" and their combinations.
This means that within Croker Golf System a golfer has the choice of either "Hitting" or "Swinging".
I do not believe you have studied our Video Downloads thoroughly enough or have downloaded them all. Otherwise you would have removed much of your "CONFUSION."
Please do the drills that are part of each Video Download and you will quickly bring feel and better understanding of a preferred motion customised to you.
KInd regards,
Peter
Straight from the "horses mouth"...pushing the collar or pulling the wagon...hmmm....Thanks Peter ...for your insight and correction...
