Advanced quiz question for you all....

Originally Posted by Mathew I sence alot of fog

I'll restate the question...

What is the relationship between the plane of accumulator no.3 (which can be the plane of the left wristcock motion also - that was a good identification but doesn't show the relation between the two) when it is turned to the plane (hence fully loaded) and the inclined plane. What is the relationship between these two planes....

My question is not vague....

I would say when the left hand is turned to the plane it is parallel . . . but also assuming that you have the same amount of #3 at fix as actual impact it also determines the Plane Angle . . . Lower hands = More #3 and thus more towards the Elbow or Hands Plane . . . Higher hands with the less #3 result in a Turned Shoulder Plane angle.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket I would say when the left hand is turned to the plane it is parallel . . . but also assuming that you have the same amount of #3 at fix as actual impact it also determines the Plane Angle . . . Lower hands = More #3 and thus more towards the Elbow or Hands Plane . . . Higher hands with the less #3 result in a Turned Shoulder Plane angle.

Bucket..isn't that what I stated previously....I smell what your steppin in!!! #3 it's angle and range of motion varies depending on the plane angle ...As stated above and previously... Inclined Plane...verify sweetspot plane and/or shaft plane...remember the shaft may move from its own plane and rotate onto the plane of the sweetspot...So when you are referring to Inclined Plane? Sweetspot or Shaft? Usually when Turned to the Inclined plane they are in the same plane!!!

Originally Posted by Mathew I sence alot of fog

I'll restate the question...

What is the relationship between the plane of accumulator no.3 (which can be the plane of the left wristcock motion also - that was a good identification but doesn't show the relation between the two) when it is turned to the plane (hence fully loaded) and the inclined plane. What is the relationship between these two planes....

My question is not vague....

It is a different question!

They are congruient. In line but not on the same line.

1/2 way back until 1/2 way down- flatter and more closed.

At least I'll start there- have to make a living first before I take a look at the whole thing- gotta go - the IRS and Bank are knocking on the front door- wait a minute the adrenaline was flowing but now I realize that I'm in Bucket's closet- it's his house- Ah! no worries!

Can't help myself.

The primary lever isn't on plane, the secondary lever is always on plane.

Bagger

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance Can't help myself.

The primary lever isn't on plane, the secondary lever is always on plane.

Bagger

Bagger- good point- just clarify it a little more- the primary lever isn't on the "swing plane" normally. It is has it's own plane with a flat left wrist i.e. the left arm and clubshaft are "in-line", and that is normally different than the swing plane. Only when the left shoulder, hand, and "clubhead" are on the "swingplane" is the primary lever "on the swing plane"- and that can happen- i.e. zero number three accumulator or your avatar picture looks like another situation where it might be on plane or close.

But your post wasn't much different than mine in that I didn't take the time to explain in detail the potential issues to my post- i.e. 1/2 back and 1/2 way down on a chip shot?, full shot? etc. etc. And I didn't take the time to explain it fully in regards to the entire swing and the relation of the #3 accumulator plane to the swing plane and does that change or have implications if I'm using a short shot or full shot, and flat plane or steep plane, small #3 or large #3, plane shift or no plane shift. Why? Haven't looked at it before and don't have time right now to check it out.

Hopefully your game is good! or getting better! because it is a great game to play!

Originally Posted by Mike O 1/2 way back until 1/2 way down- flatter and more closed.

At least I'll start there- have to make a living first before I take a look at the whole thing- gotta go - the IRS and Bank are knocking on the front door- wait a minute the adrenaline was flowing but now I realize that I'm in Bucket's closet- it's his house- Ah! no worries!

Good one! That one made me chuckle.

Oh hey! Say "What's up" to Ichabod Crane for me next time you pass the fridge.

Everyone that said parallel is on the right track. But this doesn't explain where they are parallel and thus not fully explaining the relationship. One more night before I post the answer

Originally Posted by Mathew Everyone that said parallel is on the right track. But this doesn't explain where they are parallel and thus not fully explaining the relationship. One more night before I post the answer

They all come to the same "point" and that point is on 'the' plane, regardless of plane angle or loading action. I agree with Annikan that the rest can depend on multiple factors, but assume you must mean an 'ideal'.

Im working the next three days but decided to create a question for you whilst im away....

The question is....

When accumulator 3 is fully loaded - what is the relation between its plane relative to the inclined plane?

I'll give the answer in 3 days time if no one has got it yet...

Enjoy...

accumulator 3 plane should trace the Inclined plane?

Originally Posted by Mathew Im working the next three days but decided to create a question for you whilst im away....

The question is....

When accumulator 3 is fully loaded - what is the relation between its plane relative to the inclined plane?

I'll give the answer in 3 days time if no one has got it yet...

Enjoy...

The clubshaft is on plane and the #acc angle is above the plane.

Why does the answer matter?

Originally Posted by jim_0068 Why does the answer matter?

It is a test to make your minds work and test the overall understanding of alignments that make up G.O.L.F... If I was creating questions for a written test at a true GSED level - this is the type of question I would ask. This is something you have to work out - the correct answer is not directly in the book.

And sorry guys, The first two answers are incorrect....

First of all the question is quite vague and perhaps incomplete...

but here's a college try...the #3 accumulator and it's corresponding pressure point is loaded per selected plane angle and per 7-19 procedure..in other words less turn/roll for the turning shoulder plane..more turn/roll for the elbow plane and more for the hands only plane...Now IMO opinion the corresponding pressure point for each accumulator is what is actually loaded ..not the accumulator...So in this case the the right forefinger and it's location side for hitting and top knuckle per swinging is what is loaded....the pressure increases on the pressure pointwith changes of direction and or changes of acceleration during Start down and varies during the release roll for the swinger and increases on the aft side with direct drive of the #1 Pressure Point and indirect drive for the hitter...

So the question shouldn't read..."When accumulator 3 is fully loaded - what is the relation between its plane relative to the inclined plane?"

But rather... "When the #3 Pressure Point is fully loaded- what is it's relation between it's plane relative to the Inclined Plane?...Hell it's different for hitters and swingers...Different for the Hands Only,Elbow Plane,Turned Shoulder and the Turning Shoulder Plane...

Remember very easy concept..

Pressure points are what get loaded...Accumulators are what gather...

Originally Posted by Mathew Im working the next three days but decided to create a question for you whilst im away....

The question is....

When accumulator 3 is fully loaded - what is the relation between its plane relative to the inclined plane?

I'll give the answer in 3 days time if no one has got it yet...

Enjoy...

"With few exceptions the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane - the plane of the Left Wristcock motion.
At the same time........." Homer Kelley.

Therefore, the flat plane of this assembly is laid against, or parallel to, the inclined plane once it comes into motion and, effectively, they become one.

I sence alot of fog

I'll restate the question...

What is the relationship between the plane of accumulator no.3 (which can be the plane of the left wristcock motion also - that was a good identification but doesn't show the relation between the two) when it is turned to the plane (hence fully loaded) and the inclined plane. What is the relationship between these two planes....

My question is not vague....

Originally Posted by Mathew I sence alot of fog

I'll restate the question...

What is the relationship between the plane of accumulator no.3 (which can be the plane of the left wristcock motion also - that was a good identification but doesn't show the relation between the two) when it is turned to the plane (hence fully loaded) and the inclined plane. What is the relationship between these two planes....

My question is not vague....

paralell sounds right

pp#3 is aligned with the sweetspot plane. The ball is struck on that plane not where the shaft lies.