For years I have been working on the Standard Shoulder Turn component....with the 7th edition and the revised swinging stroke pattern which now has a rotated shoulder turn component...thought about how to find the rotated shoulder turn. I found it easily with the Tomasello stick drill. What you need to do is find both the flat shoulder turn and the rotated shoulder and get the feel of both. Learn the Tomasello stick drill and see if you can find both...what I found is the right forearm takeaway naturally produces a rotated shoulder turn...using a standard hip turn finds the flat shoulder turn easily. What a revelation!!! Ya gotta love finding new things in TGM...even after 15 years of study. I'm sure Ted and Lynn and the rest of the long time devotees of the little yellow book would agree...one thing that the little yellow book teaches us...how long it takes to really master a subject.
DG
can u describe the Tommy stick drill? thanks!
Originally Posted by powerdraw
can u describe the Tommy stick drill? thanks!
Don't need to describe it when you can view Tomasello demonstrating himself....go the gallery and watch the Chapter 1 Tomasello video called the pivot.
DG
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
For years I have been working on the Standard Shoulder Turn component....with the 7th edition and the revised swinging stroke pattern which now has a rotated shoulder turn component...thought about how to find the rotated shoulder turn. I found it easily with the Tomasello stick drill. What you need to do is find both the flat shoulder turn and the rotated shoulder and get the feel of both. Learn the Tomasello stick drill and see if you can find both...what I found is the right forearm takeaway naturally produces a rotated shoulder turn...using a standard hip turn finds the flat shoulder turn easily. What a revelation!!! Ya gotta love finding new things in TGM...even after 15 years of study. I'm sure Ted and Lynn and the rest of the long time devotees of the little yellow book would agree...one thing that the little yellow book teaches us...how long it takes to really master a subject.
DG
With the requirement to move the shoulder at right angles to the spine, do you see a greater danger of a reverse pivot, especially for those with limited flexibility. If you didn't use an address spine tilt away from the target with the Flat Shoulder Turn are you using it with Rotated?
Not sure about "finding it!"
DRW
Boy am I enjoying the Rotated Shoulder Turn...making real progress with the rotated Shoulder coupled with the right arm full powered Tomasello swing-a-ma-bob....feels natural with the right forearm takeaway. Crushing drives and hitting greens with precision....feels good with a three barrel hitting stroke too.
DG
The rotated shoulder turn is very prone to being misunderstood. Esp if you do what instructors do on the golf channel...lol
The initial acceleration of the right shoulder must be onplane via hip slide to provide the onplane thrust during startdown and then and only then from that point should the right shoulder rotate around the spine from its tilted position to allow the left shoulder to get onplane for the followthrough.
If you think the right shoulder just goes downplane your in trouble. And likewise, if you think it just rotates your in trouble too.
Can anyone provide pictures of swing sequences that show pro golfers using a flat backstroke shoulder turn and a rotated shoulder turn?
Thanks
Originally Posted by Mathew
If you think the right shoulder just goes downplane your in trouble. And likewise, if you think it just rotates your in trouble too.
Then what does it do?
The shoulder first goes downa and then through on plane.
Very interesting analysis, DG. Very interesting.......
Originally Posted by Mathew
The rotated shoulder turn is very prone to being misunderstood. Esp if you do what instructors do on the golf channel...lol
The initial acceleration of the right shoulder must be onplane via hip slide to provide the onplane thrust during startdown and then and only then from that point should the right shoulder rotate around the spine from its tilted position to allow the left shoulder to get onplane for the followthrough.
If you think the right shoulder just goes downplane your in trouble. And likewise, if you think it just rotates your in trouble too.
Is the precaution unique to the RST and is there a difference if the player is using the TSP angle and locates it with a RST. That is, other than the steepness of the plane angle is there a hip slide difference between Flat-On Plane and RST-On Plane?
DRW
Thanks Mathew, I get what you are saying now. I wasn't trying to be difficult, just wanted some more clarification, which you provided. Thank You.
In essence, the soulder goes down plane via the hip slide and then rotates. Correct?
