The Importance of Pivot Center

Ok this thread IS NOT to rekindle the debate on Head vs. Neck. I think an agreement can be made that the important thang would be to have a CENTER period.

But my question is WHY? What does it accomplish? Is its basis Geometric or Physics? Or both? Why do you think people fail to have a CENTER? How do you fix those that don't?

Holla back.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Ok this thread IS NOT to rekindle the debate on Head vs. Neck. I think an agreement can be made that the important thang would be to have a CENTER period.

But my question is WHY? What does it accomplish? Is its basis Geometric or Physics? Or both? Why do you think people fail to have a CENTER? How do you fix those that don't?

Holla back.

Check the indoor fan.
Both Geometry and Physics.
They are basically "Hacking".
Eliminate/get over that "hacking" intent.

I have proven to myself with a double ended flashlight that a stationary head allows the most precise repeatable tracing of the straight baseline plane. Thus my answer would be geometric.
The hard part is taking it to the course particularly with the longer clubs. My Bosu ball is calling got to go.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Ok this thread IS NOT to rekindle the debate on Head vs. Neck. I think an agreement can be made that the important thang would be to have a CENTER period.

But my question is WHY? What does it accomplish? Is its basis Geometric or Physics? Or both? Why do you think people fail to have a CENTER? How do you fix those that don't?

Holla back.

A wheel that wobbles (out of balance) can't drive straight.

It is both physics and geometry.

A lot of folks fail to have a stable center of balance because they aren't flexible, or don't understand that the force you generate isn't about 'effort', but efficiency.

Eyes closed practice with a heavy club, feet together is a great way to learn how to find your 'center'.

What is the opposite of a centred pivot? Is it sway?

I know I used to feel that swaying back actually created power in my swing. This was pop instruction telling folks to take the club back low and slow. Looked ugly as he77 on tape, and only added power with PERFECT timing.

CW

I don't believe that you can make the golf stroke motion or any others with the body, without have a center point.

It is not the golfer lack a swing center, it is that they dont have a swing center that is effective.

It is a combination of geometry and physics.

Balance plays a key role the effectiveness of the swing center.

The pivot center is part of the control of the left shoulder motion to ultimately control the primary and thus also the secondary lever assembly. The left shoulder location itself around that stationary point is controlled by the right shoulder.

The stationary point is the ideal objective. There is little in the way of tolerance. Skilled swaying is achievable but hardly considered good form. The body will never 'twist' correctly and is usually taught by teachers (ie. Leadbetter) who lack any real kind of physique capable of playing non-compensated golf. The 'cheap' pivot motion that swaying produces progressively counteracts the ability to create thrust against the primary lever assembly in the downstroke.

Originally Posted by Mathew The pivot center is part of the control of the left shoulder motion to ultimately control the primary and thus also the secondary lever assembly. The left shoulder location itself around that stationary point is controlled by the right shoulder.

The stationary point is the ideal objective. There is little in the way of tolerance. Skilled swaying is achievable but hardly considered good form. The body will never 'twist' correctly and is usually taught by teachers (ie. Leadbetter) who lack any real kind of physique capable of playing non-compensated golf. The 'cheap' pivot motion that swaying produces progressively counteracts the ability to create thrust against the primary lever assembly in the downstroke.

Very nice.