Reasons for over acceleration

I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

Great Question . . . Hope some HEAVIES way in on this here.

If the start down is by left hip/leg plus right shoulder down without any efforts by arms, will that help not over acceleration?

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

I would agree that any attempt to 'add' with the left or right arms are contributors. But I also think a key contributor is simply not understanding and experiencing the endless belt concept.

Since gaining an understanding of the endless belt effect my tendency to over-accelerate is greatly reduced. I think over-acceleration stems from a belief that it will allow you to hit it farther. And if you think that then you'll find a way to do try and do it... be it with arm action or pivot action. Once you experience how accelerating your hands simply to set up the proper rhythm allows the endless belt effect to "do it's thing" you start to trust just how powerful that can be.

Another question I have would be to define 'over-acceleration'. Is it accelerating the hands too far into the release period or accelerating the hands to a speed that can't be maintained through release and impact?

CG

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

The urge to "hack" it hard and far, which causes early throwaway (shaft kick-forward).

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

The muscular effort is for "sustaining the lag", not "hack".

The club lag is supported by accumulator lag, which is supported by pivot lag, fast, slow or in-between.

Thanks for the reply's guys.

Originally Posted by cometgolfer Another question I have would be to define 'over-acceleration'. Is it accelerating the hands too far into the release period or accelerating the hands to a speed that can't be maintained through release and impact?
CG

cometgolfer in my question i definitely meant the latter.

So, so far i understand it is important to have the correct intention when creating power. But doesn't this still encompass the 'adding' i described in the first post. Is it that simple?

As a swinger if i keep my left arm inert and don't 'add' with my right, can i over-accelerate?

Moving the hands independentlycauses over-acceleration...For instance pulling the left arm down and forward independent of the Pivot Train is an example of over acceleration...Also a improper loading can cause over acceleration...For instance resisting the backstroke only to try and drag the club down by pulling ..which are completely incompatible loading procedures

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker Moving the hands independentlycauses over-acceleration...For instance pulling the left arm down and forward independent of the Pivot Train is an example of over acceleration...Also a improper loading can cause over acceleration...For instance resisting the backstroke only to try and drag the club down by pulling ..which are completely incompatible loading procedures

How about OVERLOADING?

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

One of the biggest causes is lack of 'smoothness'.

By that I mean a swinger needs to be building speed. One of my favorite quotes from Al Geiberger "there can only be one 'fastest' part of the swing".

A swinger who tries to make that fastest point either 'at' the ball or worse, before impact, is over accelerating. The idea is to try to make that fastest point AFTER impact, THROUGH the ball, and by doing so help sustain the line of compression (minimize impact decel).

Certainly adding right arm, or incompatible loading/unloading (bad transition), are factors.

Efficient force is always smooth and feels very heavy.

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

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"Can you rotate too fast?"... I believe the ROTATION of the Body has more to do with Rhythm. 6-B-3-O "The Turning Rate of the Pivot Components--especially the Shoulder Turn as actuated by Hip Action(7-15)--Must be Identical and synchronus with the #3 Accumulator Roll, else its Rhythm gets distrpted."

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket How about OVERLOADING?

Too much to be sustained.

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"Can you rotate too fast?"... I believe the ROTATION of the Body has more to do with Rhythm. 6-B-3-O "The Turning Rate of the Pivot Components--especially the Shoulder Turn as actuated by Hip Action(7-15)--Must be Identical and synchronus with the #3 Accumulator Roll, else its Rhythm gets distrpted."

SPlain yourself Lagster...What does identical and synchronus with the #3 Roll mean?

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker SPlain yourself Lagster...What does identical and synchronus with the #3 Roll mean?

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I believe what this means is... the speed(RPM) of the TURNING TORSO, and speed of the ROLL of the #3 Accumulator must match up to maintain #3 Accumulator Rhythm.

What do you think?

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I believe what this means is... the speed(RPM) of the TURNING TORSO, and speed of the ROLL of the #3 Accumulator must match up to maintain #3 Accumulator Rhythm.

What do you think?

I would agree, this is something i had to learn when i learned how to "spin the flywheel." in the begining i would keep haning shots our to the right or just plain hook them because i didn't have the right amount of roll for the pivot speed i was producing. This led to throwaway and inconsistent alignments.

How to do both in sync, everything was better again

Originally Posted by danny_shank I'm trying to get a better understanding for the causes of over acceleration in a swinger.

Is it all about avoiding muscular effort with your left arm and any 'adding' with your right arm. Are there any other important factors? For example how important is the pivot? Can you rotate too fast?

This is your section to INCUBATE!!!

10-19-C DRAG LOADING Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow - feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft - especially for Short Shot Power.

Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action (to the desired Hand-speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (Pull 10-3-D) a swinging Club Down Plane - even with only Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K) See 10-23-C.

For Clubhead Throwaway prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.

And this . . .

CENTRIFUGAL FORCE Example - whirling weight on a string.
Mechanical - The resistance of the Inertia in an orbiting object to change in direction.
Golf - The effort of the Swinging Clubhead to pull the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) into a straight line.

So why Instant Hip Acceleration? Basically Mr. K wants you to start quick with the hips to overcome the Inertia of the club GOING BACK in the Backstroke. This will Load your #4 Pressure Point and #3 Pressure Point. Then all you gotta do is STAY INFRONT of it (see the red underlined part). Just MAINTAIN it. Otherwise you'll overload it and stifle CF. You can pivot too fast and too hard. Just MAINTAIN your pivot speed and stay ahead.

Study this section . . . it is PURE FREAKIN' GENIOUS. It the utilization of the power of CF that made Mr. K say you could Swing in your sleep . . . you don't DO MUCH when you sleep right?