Clearing the right hip

The phrase 'Clearing the right hip' on the downswing always conjured up images for me of 'getting the right hip out of the way' (of the right elbow).

Then it was suggested to me by a highly respected member of the TGM community that it really meant 'the right elbow clearing the right hip' ie getting the right elbow past the right hip before the hip turns.

Seems to me to be a lot of difference there. Far be it for me to doubt him, but I still get the impression from other esteemed members of the community that my original thought was right....

So which is it? The right hip getting out of the way so the right elbow can pass, or the right elbow passing before the right hip turns to the ball?
Originally Posted by thackrad The phrase 'Clearing the right hip' on the downswing always conjured up images for me of 'getting the right hip out of the way' (of the right elbow).

Then it was suggested to me by a highly respected member of the TGM community that it really meant 'the right elbow clearing the right hip' ie getting the right elbow past the right hip before the hip turns.

Seems to me to be a lot of difference there. Far be it for me to doubt him, but I still get the impression from other esteemed members of the community that my original thought was right....

So which is it? The right hip getting out of the way so the right elbow can pass, or the right elbow passing before the right hip turns to the ball?
thackrad,

Your original thought was correct. All you need to do is to compare the pictures in 8-6 and 8-7.

If you need more "proof" from the book, just holler...

Even TGM instructors are not exempted from "misteaching", therefore if possible, always let the book interpret itself.
Originally Posted by comdpa thackrad,

Your original thought was correct. All you need to do is to compare the pictures in 8-6 and 8-7.

If you need more "proof" from the book, just holler...

Even TGM instructors are not exempted from "misteaching", therefore if possible, always let the book interpret itself.
Did you say "holler???" Corrupting people across oceans . . . you'll be picking your nose at stop lights with the windows down next! Welcome to the club Slinger.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Did you say "holler???" Corrupting people across oceans . . . you'll be picking your nose at stop lights with the windows down next! Welcome to the club Slinger.
Ack...do you also flick 'em out???
Originally Posted by comdpa Ack...do you also flick 'em out???
. . . . eat 'em.
Originally Posted by thackrad The phrase 'Clearing the right hip' on the downswing always conjured up images for me of 'getting the right hip out of the way' (of the right elbow).

Then it was suggested to me by a highly respected member of the TGM community that it really meant 'the right elbow clearing the right hip' ie getting the right elbow past the right hip before the hip turns.

Seems to me to be a lot of difference there. Far be it for me to doubt him, but I still get the impression from other esteemed members of the community that my original thought was right....

So which is it? The right hip getting out of the way so the right elbow can pass, or the right elbow passing before the right hip turns to the ball?

How about moving the hips so you establish a straight line relationship to a straight line?
Originally Posted by denny Great question.

David Williams wrote in The Science of the Golf Swing that Hogan was wrong to say to clear the hips.
They should be geared together.
Homer said that a car engine had rhythm because nothing moves haphazardly.
Thanks Denny

So what would be your definitive answer on this sequence. Or are you saying there isn't a sequence as such and the hip clears at the same time as the elbow comes through?

Bucket - thanks for your tasty contribution..
Since starting this thread I've begun to REALLY focus on hitting the back inside quadrant of the ball. I'm starting to find that the INTENT to do this at the top and start down is begining to transmit the message to the right hip to get out the way (without me consiously trying to do anything). I can feel the change in path (from before) and space for it being made.

Does this make sense?

I've just realised this might be what is meant by hand-controlled pivot - am I right? Is this more lightbulbs coming on?
Originally Posted by thackrad Since starting this thread I've begun to REALLY focus on hitting the back inside quadrant of the ball. I'm starting to find that the INTENT to do this at the top and start down is begining to transmit the message to the right hip to get out the way (without me consiously trying to do anything). I can feel the change in path (from before) and space for it being made.

Does this make sense?

I've just realised this might be what is meant by hand-controlled pivot - am I right? Is this more lightbulbs coming on?
I know this is an old thread but I just wanted you to know that this really helped me. I've never had to think about the startdown waggle (left hip bump), now I know why. My intent to hit the inside aft quadrant of the ball. YES!!!!!
O.k. So in the turn back the right hip moves enough to keep the right elbow in front rather than behind the right hip. Is that correct?
(I lent my book to a cohort and will not see it until tomorrow, hence the question)
Thanks.
Originally Posted by garagefan66 I know this is an old thread but I just wanted you to know that this really helped me. I've never had to think about the startdown waggle (left hip bump), now I know why. My intent to hit the inside aft quadrant of the ball. YES!!!!!


Agreed. Most people aim at the back of ball even though it is back of low point, cover the target line and then curse their corresponding out to in path. Their over the top move has its roots in a misconception. The correct geometry of impact is not what one first thinks. Knowledge lends itself to an intent that has a slightly different visual equivalent associated with it.

Its all about tracing a straight plane line (with your lag pressure point), which visually will appear to be (and is) an inside out Delivery Path of the hands and Delivery Line of the clubhead. An inside to out clubhead blur but with a straight divot that points at the target. (That when closely inspected will ideally show a little arc pre and post low point).

With all of this as your intent and your mind in your hands pressure points........the pivot acts accordingly. Its the way we do things all the time. We dont think about our pivot when we throw a ball but we do pivot dont we........and just the right amount. More pressure, more pivot like the outfielder throwing to home plate.

If your not tracing, or watching the blur or covering the angle of approach or something similar, you're probably not on plane. Your divots will tell the story. Walk down the fairways and look at all the divots pointed way left...........Homer figured out why decades ago but it still isnt in the golf magazines. That darned inclined plane of motion makes the geometry so difficult to see and talk about.
Great post O.B. You senior members are awesome!!
Originally Posted by denny Great question.

David Williams wrote in The Science of the Golf Swing that Hogan was wrong to say to clear the hips.
They should be geared together.
Homer said that a car engine had rhythm because nothing moves haphazardly.
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I have also heard this explained in different ways.

1. In the Start Up-- as in Picture 9-1-4 and 9-2-4

2. In the Start Down-- as in Picture 9-1-4, 8-7, and 9-2-7 (In these pictures the Right Hip still appears to still be turned BACK(I have heard this described as "Cleared.")

3. In the Downstroke-- as in picture 9-2-8 ( I have heard this picture described as Clearing a way for the right elbow.

I'm pretty sure there is some information out there on how Mr. Kelley taught this to students.

We should get some chimers on this one.
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I have also heard this explained in different ways.

1. In the Start Up-- as in Picture 9-1-4 and 9-2-4

2. In the Start Down-- as in Picture 9-1-4, 8-7, and 9-2-7 (In these pictures the Right Hip still appears to still be turned BACK(I have heard this described as "Cleared.")

3. In the Downstroke-- as in picture 9-2-8 ( I have heard this picture described as Clearing a way for the right elbow.

I'm pretty sure there is some information out there on how Mr. Kelley taught this to students.

We should get some chimers on this one.
Mr. Greenjeans told me that the right hip is cleared on the down stroke WHILE IT IS STILL TURNED.
Precisely!
Geez, OB, you are so helpful. I could not begin to tell you how many times I refer to your posts for assistance and clarification.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket . . . . eat 'em.
Alert! Conversation warning! You are approaching the limits of good taste....

Thanks for clearing that up slinger.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket . . . . eat 'em.
I was just thinking today- Bucket's turned into plain white bread! Vanilla! Then you fire one out - just like good old times. In my opinion this is one of the best posts in the history of LBG- no offense to Lynn or the team of course!