Charles Howell

Has anyone seen the cover of Golf Magazine? It has a great shot of Charles Howell just after impact. Any T.G.M. comments?

Haven't seen the pictures, but he has quite the Machine background. Grew up taking lessons from one of the best, and later moved on to Oklahoma State and learned under Mike Holder (who, if you recall, was in that same GSEM class at Homer's house with Lynn).

According to Brian Manzella young Mr. Howell visited Ben Doyle this past year to get a second opinion

Didn't Howell grow up in the David "you're not using enough body"Leadbetter school?

And yes, that is incredible lag. He must have had even more because Leadbetter wanted him to get rid of some of it.

Charlie

I was told Charles worked with George Kelnhofer (GSED from Georgia) when he was younger. Only later did he "progress" to Leadbetter.

Leadbetter acts like a King Pimp.

Originally Posted by Matt I was told Charles worked with George Kelnhofer (GSED from Georgia) when he was younger. Only later did he "progress" to Leadbetter.

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Charles did work with George Kelnhofer. I'm not sure when he started with David Leadbetter.

Was it him or Tyron ? that lives next to Augusta.

Whichever of one of them did then they started with Leadbetter at 12 yrs old I read somewhere

Chris

Originally Posted by cjgolf Was it him or Tyron ? that lives next to Augusta.

Whichever of one of them did then they started with Leadbetter at 12 yrs old I read somewhere

Chris

Howell grew up in Georgia. I believe Tryon is from Florida.

Originally Posted by 8cork Has anyone seen the cover of Golf Magazine? It has a great shot of Charles Howell just after impact. Any T.G.M. comments?

Looking at the picture on page 65, it looks like his Right Elbow is above Plane at Impact. I also checked his swing sequence at the Golf Digest site, and it looks like the same thing...


Howell Swing Sequence

Originally Posted by armourall

Originally Posted by 8cork Has anyone seen the cover of Golf Magazine? It has a great shot of Charles Howell just after impact. Any T.G.M. comments?

Looking at the picture on page 65, it looks like his Right Elbow is above Plane at Impact. I also checked his swing sequence at the Golf Digest site, and it looks like the same thing...

http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...201howell.html

I can't tell from just the pictures on the Golf Digest site - "up the line" view is a complete waste of time. Why don't they just shoot face-on and down the line views so we can see what's going on in the swing?

Originally Posted by Matt

Originally Posted by armourall

Originally Posted by 8cork Has anyone seen the cover of Golf Magazine? It has a great shot of Charles Howell just after impact. Any T.G.M. comments?

Looking at the picture on page 65, it looks like his Right Elbow is above Plane at Impact. I also checked his swing sequence at the Golf Digest site, and it looks like the same thing...

Howell Swing Sequence

I can't tell from just the pictures on the Golf Digest site - "up the line" view is a complete waste of time. Why don't they just shoot face-on and down the line views so we can see what's going on in the swing?

Here's another picture from Brady's site...

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79712/1/3611095

He was a member at Augusta CC, (differentiate Augusta National). Leadbetter has been his coach since he was 10. (see personal)
http://pgatour.com/players/bio/285321

Leadbetter wants him "de-lagged". I would be curious of the TGM knowlegeables' reaction to that.
http://www.beauproductions.com/golfs...owell/main.htm

Now when I see a swing this good, I just want to move the right hand grip to get the forearm in line and then see how they would do when they hold onto the lag.

Charlie

One thing that is very curious to me is in the golf magazine shoot from the down the line view, right before impact:

His club is very behind him and almost directly in line with that right forearm, but behind him if that makes sense?

Is this a position we want to be in?

When i practice my swing it is not in that position at all but i do line up at impact

Smith did the same de-lagging with Phil
a few years back. Smith said his clubhead
was still very close to his ear when the
hands were below his hips. That's LAG, lol.
Too much of anything could be a bad thing,
but I think Phil has put some back in.
What the term Lag is to the outside world
of instruction is different to the term Lag to
the Golfing Machine world. It means more
to us then just alignment lag.

True, the annoucers are only talking about ONE TYPE of lag, and its CLUBHEAD LAG.

There are other components of it but thats the only one they talk about.


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Also pertaining to my other post above, when the hands are around hip high and the shaft is still lagging behind the hands and arms, if the shaft is lining up with the right forearm is that the "elbow plane?"

Also what are the advantages of being on that plane versus one where the right forearm is a little lower than the shaft at this point?

Originally Posted by jim_0068 True, the annoucers are only talking about ONE TYPE of lag, and its CLUBHEAD LAG.

There are other components of it but thats the only one they talk about.


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Also pertaining to my other post above, when the hands are around hip high and the shaft is still lagging behind the hands and arms, if the shaft is lining up with the right forearm is that the "elbow plane?"

Also what are the advantages of being on that plane versus one where the right forearm is a little lower than the shaft at this point?

My understanding is it doesn't matter, as long as your right forearm is properly supporting whatever plane you choose to use.

The announcers almost always are talking about Accumulator Lag - e.g. retention of left wrist cock. Very rarely do they discuss stressing the shaft and the like (clubhead lag).

Originally Posted by Matt The announcers almost always are talking about Accumulator Lag - e.g. retention of left wrist cock. Very rarely do they discuss stressing the shaft and the like (clubhead lag).

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I think you are correct about that. They may not even know about clubhead lag. Except for.... Bobby Clampett, and maybe Johnny Miller