Overlap of the Accumulators

Anyone care (Yoda) to share some insight on the overlap of the accumulators....Increase Overlap-Increase thrust/////Decrease Overlap- Increase Velocity...How is this overlap measured, determined, adjusted?

How about an advanced video on this Yoda?.... I'll even buy the candy, popcorn, and drinks for the show

Anyone care to shed some light?

Snap Release/Pitch Elbow produces the greatest amount of over-lap of accumulators 2 & 3 with a small hand pulley that generates a faster clubhead with the same Pace as a Sweep release of lesser overlap.

A Hitter dumps all accumulators at the same time so it must be the ultimate overlap. Its just not a Snap Release.

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker Anyone care (Yoda) to share some insight on the overlap of the accumulators....Increase Overlap-Increase thrust/////Decrease Overlap- Increase Velocity...How is this overlap measured, determined, adjusted?

How about an advanced video on this Yoda?.... I'll even buy the candy, popcorn, and drinks for the show

"Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

Originally Posted by Mike O "Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

Good post . . . When did you steal a boat?

Originally Posted by Mike O "Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

Mike,This would allow you to go further but slower-so wouldn't we want to just let all four rip (ideally)given the fact that we don't need too much distance?

By the way, what are the entry requirements for the "tag team"?

There are some teams it would not be prudent to join........'nuff said.

Originally Posted by Uppndownn There are some teams it would not be prudent to join........'nuff said.

Am I missing something ?......Please tell

Nice posts .

Be wary of teaming up with the Bucket.

It will usually cost you moon pies, RC Colas, and will have no self-respect the morning after.

Originally Posted by Uppndownn Be wary of teaming up with the Bucket.

It will usually cost you moon pies, RC Colas, and will have no self-respect the morning after.

what does "self-respect" mean? Never heard of that???

Originally Posted by neil Mike,This would allow you to go further but slower-so wouldn't we want to just let all four rip (ideally)given the fact that we don't need too much distance?

By the way, what are the entry requirements for the "tag team"?

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!

Originally Posted by Mike O

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!

Another good post . . . the rash must be clearing up huh? . . . and remember from the last time when it goes away . . . you STOP rubbing the cream down there. The doc will not give you more ointment to rub there. When it's gone STOP. You're not doing that for 6 months like last time. You'll just have to trim the calluses off of your hands.

So now dingleberry . . . How does Trigger Delay and a Small Pulley (don't go there) come into all this?

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket So now dingleberry . . . How does Trigger Delay and a Small Pulley (don't go there) come into all this?

I guess you could dig in here and come up with all sorts of ideas on "how they come into this". For me- they really don't. At least on the larger picture - they have their own separate identity. So you don't want to get too fuzzy and interwine them all and/or tie or associate one with the other.

In other words(- grammer buddy), Trigger delay is how late or early in the downstroke you trigger the release of the power package. The overlapping issue is what happens after you begin the release sequence. In general you could release early or late- that has no impact in regards to during the release how much you overlap or sequence.

Of course, you couldn't have said "Pulley size"- no - had to say "Small Pulley"- Maximum trigger delay- Oh the obsession that somehow that's better! (Sorry pet peeve) - Sure it's easy to say if you have a small pulley snap release that you have less time and space - so won't you have more overlap, etc. But the fact is that even with a snap release a swinger has a #2 and #3 sequenced release - or can. Again, it's best to treat them as separate items so that confusion or mis-understanding doesn't creep in- EVERYTHING HAS IT'S OWN IDENTITY- THAT DOESN"T CHANGE WHEN YOU ADD THESE OTHER ITEMS INTO THE MIX.

1) The Golfing Machine is meant to be a catalogue that any and all strokes can fit into- you can't pigeon hole yourself and say that a small pulley can't have a sequenced release etc. (not saying you said that- just using it as an example). All the options are available!!!!

2) For me - this discussion is more on the mechanical - Theoretical side. I mean you have a "normal" handspeed for you- that in itself will determine to some degree your "release" point. A lot of this area is stuff you are not really going to consciously manipulate, etc. IMO. For speciality shots- sure, but normally you don't need to think of it in these terms.

Signed
Mongoloid

Originally Posted by Mike O

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!

SO we decide a have a race between a number of boat operators. They all get the same boat, engines, and amount of gas. We know that the running full out burns the gas faster. Let's say we don't have to issue each engine the same amount--we just have to stay within our quota.

As a condition of the race, we will stipulate that the end of the race occurs well before the distance that would require running each engine a moderate speed until just before it runs out of fuel and then kicking in the next one. So we don't need to use the least overlap. Say the race is a third that long.

Say that we have a bunch of really competetive boys. Some of the boys might risk running out of gas once in a while if they could win more races. What stategy of firing engines would win the race?

Bucket--none of that NASCAR tweaking of the hull design, changing the internals of the engine, or changing cup and pitch on the props.


HB

If you had enough fuel ,just flat out all four.

If not , just three.
If you still ran out ,then you would have to decide if you could make it with four with less throttle and still be faster than two,or three.
So-as much throttle, with as many engines as will allow you to not run out of fuel.