Accumulator #2 vs. Accumulator #3

I am struggling to fully grasp the differences and characteristics of Accumulator #2 and Accum #3.
Spending alot of time with the Yellow Book but perhaps it's something right in front of my eyes that I'm confusing for some reason. Accum #1 and #4 are clear to me I think.
Any advice to help me understand, direction to a good thread here or supplementary descriptions from any member's experience would be greatly appreciated.

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Woody
New York, New York

Woody-
Do you have the book?

Yes, I do have the book.

Accumulator #2 is wristcock- it's considered a vertical motion- an example might be an old water pump- you just pump the handle up and down- the more motion it travels through the great force can be applied.

Accumulator #3 is turn and roll- the greater the angle between the left arm and the clubshaft - the more space the clubhead travels through and the greater force the Accumulator #3 can apply (everything else being equal). Ever have to use a jack to jack up your car. The more you can get the handle of the jack (left arm) 90 degrees to the arm that attaches to the jack (the clubhaft) the more travel it has and the quicker the jack raises the car. Sometimes you have something in the way - such as the underside of the car- and you have to have the handle of the jack practically in line with the arm that attaches to the jack- then it takes alot of turns to raise the car. That's #3 accumulator.

Part of some confusion may be that the increased wristcock- accumulator #2 - actually could be construed as increasing the #3 accumulator. Not something to get caught up on.

Originally Posted by Mike O Accumulator #2 is wristcock- it's considered a vertical motion- an example might be an old water pump- you just pump the handle up and down- the more motion it travels through the great force can be applied.

Accumulator #3 is turn and roll- the greater the angle between the left arm and the clubshaft - the more space the clubhead travels through and the greater force the Accumulator #3 can apply (everything else being equal). Ever have to use a jack to jack up your car. The more you can get the handle of the jack (left arm) 90 degrees to the arm that attaches to the jack (the clubhaft) the more travel it has and the quicker the jack raises the car. Sometimes you have something in the way - such as the underside of the car- and you have to have the handle of the jack practically in line with the arm that attaches to the jack- then it takes alot of turns to raise the car. That's #3 accumulator.

Part of some confusion may be that the increased wristcock- accumulator #2 - actually could be construed as increasing the #3 accumulator. Not something to get caught up on.

Great analogy Mike....

Originally Posted by Mike O Part of some confusion may be that the increased wristcock- accumulator #2 - actually could be construed as increasing the #3 accumulator. Not something to get caught up on.

Ok Mike, but how do you combine uncocking of #2 acc. while still maintaining maximum amount of #3 acc. before impact?
As the proper swinging procedure is "uncock (#2) and roll (#3)", maintaining max #3 acc. seems unfeasible?

(corrections in BOLD - see Mike O's following post...)

Originally Posted by yodeli Ok Mike, but how do you combine uncocking of #2 acc. while still maintaining maximum amount of #3 acc. before impact?
As the proper swinging procedure is "uncock (#2) and roll (#3)", maintaining max #2 acc. seems unfeasible?

The #3 Angle is established when the Left Wrist is LEVEL.

The significance of the LEVEL part is . . . your left wrist should be level at Fix and Impact. If your left wrist is completely Uncocked at impact you got nothing. You want to have some Accumulator left get through the ball. Just like punching somebody. You want to hit them with your arm bent and then extend THROUGH them. You hit 'em with your arm straight at impact and you'll be the one pickin' up toofuses.

Now per Homer Kelley . . . #3 attempts to MAINTAIN its angle. The #3 angle is what you ROLL through impact. Obviously this is all happening as #2 is releasing . . . but not to its full extension. You want Full Lever Extension . . . Maximum Radius after impact not at impact.

Originally Posted by Mike O - it's considered a vertical motion- an example might be an old water pump- you just pump the handle up and down- the more motion it travels through the great force can be applied.

Hmmmmmm . . . . where to begin?

Boss . . . after some intense study of the Martee Make-Over CD . . . I'm convinced that you absolutely have NAILED how to teach swinging with the Hammering on a Vertical Plane.

I have been experimenting with going back and forth between the vertical and inclined planes of motion . . .

But this was the kicker for me. I did the full hammering deal on the vertical plane in SLOOOOOOOOOW MOTION with the club above my head and just past parallel to the ground.

You can absolutely feel swinging as you describe it "first drag it toward the plane line . . . then uncock the wrist." It is amazing how much you can feel by doing it slow and then when the club gets outside your hands it "throws out."

Then I did the same thing super slow on the inclined plane and whamo throw and then a nice swivel back up plane . . . all as "God intended" as you say in the video.

Great stuff! Try it really slow and see what you think.

Thanks again!

Bucket

Any chance we can share with the Martee Make-Over CD?

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Boss . . . after some intense study of the Martee Make-Over CD . . . I'm convinced that you absolutely have NAILED how to teach swinging with the Hammering on a Vertical Plane.

I have been experimenting with going back and forth between the vertical and inclined planes of motion . . .

But this was the kicker for me. I did the full hammering deal on the vertical plane in SLOOOOOOOOOW MOTION with the club above my head and just past parallel to the ground.

You can absolutely feel swinging as you describe it "first drag it toward the plane line . . . then uncock the wrist." It is amazing how much you can feel by doing it slow and then when the club gets outside your hands it "throws out."

Then I did the same thing super slow on the inclined plane and whamo throw and then a nice swivel back up plane . . . all as "God intended" as you say in the video.

Great stuff! Try it really slow and see what you think.

Thanks again!

Bucket

An excellent way to learn that it is the pivot that produces the 'roll'.

While learning the 'hammer', it can also be helpful to use a 10-2-D grip - an easy way to learn the pure uncocking of the left hand karate chop, and how the pivot and straightening of the right arm relate to Rhythm and throw out.