Speed Training w/ Speedchain

http://www.hawaii.rr.com/leisure/rev..._ttsfaster.htm

I'd be interested to hear what you guys think of the information in the article above.

I bought a Speedchain last winter and have not done anything with it yet. I am considering adding it my routine this winter and seeing what kind of speed gains I can make by next Spring.

Bacc

Well.... I just bought one, still isn't delivered. But maybe we can see how we both do. I'll let you know when it's here and we can compare notes.

Originally Posted by psheehan Well.... I just bought one, still isn't delivered. But maybe we can see how we both do. I'll let you know when it's here and we can compare notes.

Is there only one place to get them...they seem pricey.

The chains do seem pricey but go to a Home Depot and check the cost of chain. Chain is expensive.

Originally Posted by Yoda Click on the video clip for an action demo http://speedchaininstructions.com/

Skipper . . . Watched the video. Can you give us the LBG description of what this bad boy can do for our motion?

Can that thing lead to overloading?

Can you lock this thread so Mike O doesn't see that thing?

What are the merits of this training aid over the speedstik?

Originally Posted by Yoda Click on the video clip for an action demo http://speedchaininstructions.com/

No wonder it's fast, fast enough to whip a chain through the air, yet too fast to load and sustain a lagging golf club through impact.

What are some types of training, other than the Speed Chain, that do increase speed for golf?

Sprinter vs. Marathon Runner

Originally Posted by bts No wonder it's fast, fast enough to whip a chain through the air, yet too fast to load and sustain a lagging golf club through impact.

bts,

Looking at the video, its most certainly NOT a pivot controlled hands, or at least your understanding of a PCH is wrong.

Just wondering what is the swing speed that your "sustain the lag through shoulder rotation" procedure produces.

Thanks

Originally Posted by bwkitche http://www.hawaii.rr.com/leisure/rev..._ttsfaster.htm

I'd be interested to hear what you guys think of the information in the article above.

I bought a Speedchain last winter and have not done anything with it yet. I am considering adding it my routine this winter and seeing what kind of speed gains I can make by next Spring.

Bacc

Obviously if you used it - it might have a particular benefit that you were focusing on for swinging. However, that said- their is little to NO logic in the article- fast clubhead speed means high hand speed? Increasing your strength doesn't increase your handspeed? Then he shows some behemoth long drive champion? I mean the article is all over the place- Very poorly done. I didn't really look at the product besides the video link that Lynn provided, however, if you wanted to work on that excercise why wouldn't you just grab your garden hose and save some money?

Originally Posted by Mike O Obviously if you used it - it might have a particular benefit that you were focusing on for swinging. However, that said- their is little to NO logic in the article- fast clubhead speed means high hand speed? Increasing your strength doesn't increase your handspeed? Then he shows some behemoth long drive champion? I mean the article is all over the place- Very poorly done. I didn't really look at the product besides the video link that Lynn provided, however, if you wanted to work on that excercise why wouldn't you just grab your garden hose and save some money?

A garden hose would not provide anywhere close to the amount of variable resistance that the chain provides.

I agree...the article is a bit spastic...but I think there are some points to be taken away from it.

I have been lifting weights and stretching for the last 4-5 years and have gotten MUCH stronger and more flexible. However, my clubhead speed has not moved a bit in that same time span. So, for me at least, being stronger and more flexible has not translated into faster clubhead speed.

Bacc

Originally Posted by bwkitche A garden hose would not provide anywhere close to the amount of variable resistance that the chain provides.

I agree...the article is a bit spastic...but I think there are some points to be taken away from it.

I have been lifting weights and stretching for the last 4-5 years and have gotten MUCH stronger and more flexible. However, my clubhead speed has not moved a bit in that same time span. So, for me at least, being stronger and more flexible has not translated into faster clubhead speed.

Bacc

Guys, try this instead...

IMO, You have far potential to increase your distance by improving your Impact Aligmnents than you do by increasing your strength. That said, if you already have good alignments anything you can do to improve your body can be a plus to your game.

Originally Posted by drewitgolf IMO, You have far potential to increase your distance by improving your Impact Aligmnents than you do by increasing your strength. That said, if you already have good alignments anything you can do to improve your body can be a plus to your game.

Amen . . .

Originally Posted by comdpa Guys, try this instead...

justin, would you but the 'swing faster and throw harder' series?

yikes,, chain and rubbers...

whats next? Handcuffs and whips?

Originally Posted by Yoda Slinger,

Could you 'do the math' for us? Please tell us how this program translates into 'more distance' -- especially for the 'non-athletes' among us. Thanks!

Sorry...this is a fad type of training aid...no way will this catch on. No way will you find me in my backyard swinging something like that...I'll scare the neighbors, the birds, all of mother nature, holy cow. This is not an indoors training aid for the average home owner either.

DG

Originally Posted by bwkitche A garden hose would not provide anywhere close to the amount of variable resistance that the chain provides.

I agree...the article is a bit spastic...but I think there are some points to be taken away from it.

I have been lifting weights and stretching for the last 4-5 years and have gotten MUCH stronger and more flexible. However, my clubhead speed has not moved a bit in that same time span. So, for me at least, being stronger and more flexible has not translated into faster clubhead speed.

Bacc

The whole article is junk- for me. I just can't even get motivation to read it again- and I just skimmed it the first time. That said - I'm certainly not saying that given the proper perspective that one might be able to pull out a couple of perspectives that might be helpful. So what are the points that you would say should be taken away from it.

Originally Posted by Mike O The whole article is junk- for me. I just can't even get motivation to read it again- and I just skimmed it the first time. That said - I'm certainly not saying that given the proper perspective that one might be able to pull out a couple of perspectives that might be helpful. So what are the points that you would say should be taken away from it.

To me, the most salient point is that being stronger and more flexible does not necessarily translate into more clubhead speed. Certainly, they both help with overall fitness and health, which is why I take the time to do them, but general fitness does not equate to being able to move/swing faster. Getting a lot stronger on bench press, pull ups, and squats has not made me any faster.

I also think their points regarding the stretch shorten cycle of muscles are worth considering.

Also, I'm not saying it's a panacea for all things golf or that you should ignore alignments and just swing this thing to fix your golf swing. I was just curious if folks thought this would be something that would be a useful addition to the "quest" to get better at a game we all love.

Bacc

I own a swing chain. In fact, it is my second since I upgraded to a heavier size. When I began using it about a year ago, my swing speed was 96 mph and would sometimes top 103. Now, my swing speed is 105 and will sometimes top 111. This is the only training device I use. I love it.

I have owned a SC since March...
I used it consistently for about 3 months as weather permitted, outside on my lawn...
I did the continuous 5-10 rep method, as hard as I could...5 sets, 5-10 rep method..
Before SC I was around 102-105 with an occasional 107-110...
After using the SC just a couple of weeks....my mechanics got much better very quickly...went to 110-112 with the occasional 117...
All of the above swing speeds were measured with the Swing Speed radar with tempo timer...
Well summer brought a 12 week project that shut down my golf game completely...
But now its time for the winter off season training...
My goal is to get up to 120 smoothly, powerfully and consistently...
The SC is the only golf specific training aid I will use…
I lift weights in the gym twice a week, this combined with the SC should get me to my goal…

Thanks

Richard

Okay, I recorded 10 "playing" swings with the 7 iron and driver 10 days ago when I started using the chain...

Driver was 99-102 with a max of 108.
7 Iron was 70-73 with a max of 75.

10 days later...after doing 5 sets of 10 continuous reps every other day...

Driver is 103-108 with a max of 112.
7 iron is 75-77 with a max of 81.

All swing speeds were measured with the Swing Speed Radar w/ Tempo Timer.

I'm not ready to anoint the chains just yet...but I'm certainly encouraged by the results thus far.

Bacc

I have just started working out with the speedchain as yoda has said the lag and feel of the chains is remarkable. But like others on this forum I questioned if it work for me since I have pivot issues . I decided to call a 70 year old instructor who specializes on clubhead speed. That 70 year old can swing the club now at 127 mph!! I told him about my disability and the inability to rotate my hips and that I could not see how I could be able to get the speed I needed. His answer was speed is generated by the arms and hands. The faster you move them in both directions on plane the longer the ball will go. He uses 3 different types of training to build your speed up. The first is the swing chain which has been discussed. The second is a device called the xlr8r (accelerator) which is shaft with a ball on the end of it that has velcro on half of the ball. You swing the club as fast as you can and hit a pad that has velcro on it and has some resistance. If you swing the club on plane with a square clubface the club will stick and you must try to complete the followthru. You use the speed radar with the tempo and you work on speeding the tempo, making consistent contact and ending in a proper finish. In minutes when I tried this I increased my clubhead speed 10 mph. The resistance of the pad really makes you active muscles you do not normally use and the quicker tempo has been shown to correlate to distance. Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.

Thus both devices the swing chain and the xlr8r are devices that you swing fast with resistance in effect. The swing chain is constant the xlr8r is after impact so you naturally accelerate through or you wont't finish with the pad over the back. Besides these benfits Ben prefers this product because he believes people get the hit instinct and casting problems etc. when there is a ball there .

Finally he is working with a shaft with just surgical tubing at the end and you swing that like a whip. For those who think the 2mph rotation of the hips generates the power just swing that stick and focus on rotation versus arms and hand speed it will be clear what will make it snap the fastest.

Finally Ben has had people generate more speed swinging on stools with only arm and hand movements . As ben states the number one purpose of the body is to be a stable base to support the swinging motion.

Bens style is unique but he gets results. I am not preaching you see him I am just trying to say that he has a number of success stories in this area and if he believes and teaches and gets results by saying just swing those arms and hands as fast as you can you will train yourself to hit the ball furthur than you thought possible. By the way when when I video my swing There is no way when I look at the video that I can tell that when I swing my arms and thus my hands that I am not rotating my core and turning my shoulders and when I finish my chest is at the target that you can tell this was a direct result of just moving the hands. Well maybe that is what hands controlled pivot is all about.

Ernest jones in swing the clubhead stated that if you swing the clubhead per his definition that all the body movement and actions that happen are just the result of the proper swinging motion and many of his students did very well. A number of professionals do give credit for much of their success just from this book.

Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.

Also there are 4 accumulators 3 of which relate to the arms and hands. Also why was the body one given the last number.

Just food for thought

Dave

Originally Posted by exgolfpro I own a swing chain. In fact, it is my second since I upgraded to a heavier size. When I began using it about a year ago, my swing speed was 96 mph and would sometimes top 103. Now, my swing speed is 105 and will sometimes top 111. This is the only training device I use. I love it.

Is it too difficult to start with the next level heavier chain that may be initially outside of your current swing speed...maybe the progression isn't as fast if starting with the heavier chain?

Originally Posted by hg Is it too difficult to start with the next level heavier chain that may be initially outside of your current swing speed...maybe the progression isn't as fast if starting with the heavier chain?

Depends what you're after. If you want a modest increase or simply maintain your current, choose the lighter model.

I bought the next size up cause I was after larger gains and I'm pretty athletic. The heavier model wasn't a bother for me anyways.


Another thing that was relly noticeable for me when using the SC for the first time was how s..l..o..w.. my takeaway was. If you don't have a little pace to your takeaway, the chain just hangs vertical and you can't load up much resistance.

Originally Posted by Sonic_Doom Depends what you're after. If you want a modest increase or simply maintain your current, choose the lighter model.

I bought the next size up cause I was after larger gains and I'm pretty athletic. The heavier model wasn't a bother for me anyways.


Another thing that was relly noticeable for me when using the SC for the first time was how s..l..o..w.. my takeaway was. If you don't have a little pace to your takeaway, the chain just hangs vertical and you can't load up much resistance.

That is an excellent point sonic. It is important to keep the chain tight throughout the swing. If one has an extremely slow backswing, it will produce slack in the chain. Same thing happens if one has a big pause in the transition from backswing to downswing.

It is really interesting to watch really good players swing the chain for the first time, as well as high handicappers. The good player swings it really good pretty much right away. The higher handicapper struggles a little to start with because their swing is somewhat out of whack. But they learn when they stick with it.

Z