Roundhousing

Is there a secret on how to counteract this pestilence?

What kind of effects does roundhousing cause in your swing? I think I may roundhouse also. Seventy percent of my shots are currently toward the heel of the club, its disgusting!

It causes shots that strangle the ball with a too early closure of the clubhead!

You want axis tilt to allow the shoulders to be on-plane in the downswing. Start the downswing by sliding the hips forward. Imagine the right shoulder hitting the inside aft of the ball.

My personal experience with this is .. I have to learn with a plane board.. Now that i understands it, I can practice without a plane board.

Set the board up to turned shoulder plane or whatever shoulder plane.. without a club and during the downswing , tilt and move the shoulder down tracing that plane board like the one in the TGM picture.. I got the concept correctly by doing that.. Then start doing it without a plane board. And its exactly like what TGM suggests, the shoulder stays back yet move down and out towards the plane line.


Did plenty of start down waggle to groove it and trust it. Hope this helps .

Originally Posted by Yoda From a correct Backstroke Top, do a ton of Start Down Waggles. I'm sure you can find a detailed description of this move in my Archives. Also, I demonstrate it in at least one of my videos, but I can't remember which one (I think it was in the Jeff Hull Series).

Most Roundhousers -- typically Slicers -- do not move to their left side, i.e., shift their Weight and slide their Left Hip slightly, adequately from the Top. Instead, they hang back on their right side and their Weight stays more centered. As a result, there is little Axis (spine) Tilt and the Right Shoulder cannot possibly move in its proper plane (toward the Ball).

So, give yourself a split second longer at the Top, and allow your Feet and Knees time to initiate the Downstroke 'Pull' via the Hip Action and Shoulder Turn. Your Hands will feel as though they remain at the Top. [During a lesson, I will often hold the student's Hands in place as he drills his Start Down Action.] Then, make sure you Pull your Hands directly toward the Ball and the Baseline of your Plane.

Remember, your goal is to swing down and out toward the Plane Line directly in front of you. That is quite a different thing than attempting to swing toward the target. Ironically, the oft-heard advice to swing 'toward the target' is the genesis of Roundhousing.

CollardCoveredSmotheredandChunked . . .

Superb offering O'Green'Un! G.O.L.F. Swings cannot live on Plane Lines alone . . . It is The Word of the one that looks like Mr. Magoo that gives them the breath of life.

I took the liberty of drawing attention to one particular phrase in your eloquent post . . . Time O' Give me time!!!! to quote BoyGeorge.

It is that FRACTION of a second taken or not taken that is the crossroads of many a golf stroke. I am guilty as charged of being a bit "premature" (feel free to insert your joke here). At the top the time is at hand . . . you have a choice Downstroke Blackout? Or Strong Deliberate and Heavy Lag Pressure in your paws?

And as TIME goes . . . Mr. Kelley was ADAMANT that we place our FOCUS ON THE HANDS . .. not the clubhead. WHY?????? Because once you place your focus on your hands . . . things IMMEADIATELY SLOW . . . . DOWN. For one reason your hands are closer to you . .. the clubhead is WAY OUT THERE AT THE END OF THE RADIUS.

Another critical area of concern at the Top as Mr. Greenjeans so expertly points out is . .. Your TARGET is right there IN FRONT OF YOU . .. THE PLANE LINE . . . NOT to the LEFT OF YOU (the target). If your target is THE TARGET, you will be develop a close and intimate relationship with the FIRST SNARE . . . Steering.

So . . . At the top . . . It is your time to decide . . . and time is it . . . take the time . . . you have more time up there than you think to be DELIBERATE.

Will you be that one degree that makes the Tower of Piza lean? That one penny that makes a buck? That one made freethrow that sends the game into OT? That one last push that gets baby out? That one didgit that wins the Powerball?

Or are you gonna let your unweildy Right Shoulder wreck what otherwise could be that one stroke that wins you the Bumfudge Open?

Thanks for a great post Bossman!

Roundhousing IS my problem. I've got everything else, FLW, BRW, good pivot. BUT at the start of my down stroke that right shoulder goes a little out instead of down and I smother hook it.

If I could get my right shoulder down plane consistently, I really feel like I could be a good (scratch or better) player. Instead I'm stuck at 5 because of 2 or 3 smother hooks per round.

Originally Posted by glcoach Roundhousing IS my problem. I've got everything else, FLW, BRW, good pivot. BUT at the start of my down stroke that right shoulder goes a little out instead of down and I smother hook it.

If I could get my right shoulder down plane consistently, I really feel like I could be a good (scratch or better) player. Instead I'm stuck at 5 because of 2 or 3 smother hooks per round.

What type of knee/hip action are you using in your pattern? How well is your right forearm set on plane at impact fix? Do you use a left foot position that is square or open to the target line?

As always, let impact fix be your guide to alignments.

Check out the Tomasello videos, chapter 1 for a good pivot drill.

Thanks Ed, I'll look into some of those.

Standard Hip Action
Standard Knee Action
Left foot a little open to the target line.

Originally Posted by Yoda Ironically, the oft-heard advice to swing 'toward the target' is the genesis of Roundhousing.

I TOTALLY AGREE.

The other side of the same coin is this:

Conceptualizing "Inside-Out Impact" is the genesis of Plane perfection.

As one of my students so eloquently put it, “we are captives of our concepts.”

Originally Posted by YodasLuke I TOTALLY AGREE.

The other side of the same coin is this:

Conceptualizing "Inside-Out Impact" is the genesis of Plane perfection.

As one of my students so eloquently put it, “we are captives of our concepts.”

"That’s habit executing its ignorance."

Sorry Lynn- a GREAT HK quote, I couldn't hold on to it any longer.

Ted- drop me a pm with phone and address.

Originally Posted by labrador Is there a secret on how to counteract this pestilence?

Load the "lag" and sustain it, which holds the swing on plane, regardless of its angle.

BTS... I don't understand your statement. Isn't it still possible to load the lag even round housing or bent plane? and not loading lag but still not round housing.

Kindly explain please..

thankyou.

Originally Posted by nuke99 BTS... I don't understand your statement. Isn't it still possible to load the lag even round housing or bent plane?

Yes, but very difficult, unless you really want to "hit it straight".

and not loading lag but still not round housing.

Yes, but very difficult, unless you really don't care if you're gonna "hit it straight".

It's in your intent.

Originally Posted by labrador Is there a secret on how to counteract this pestilence?

One Phrase...."Magic of the Right Forearm". Practice it first at Impact Fix.

DG