Shoulders lead the arms

Hi
I'm still waiting for my Yellow Book . I have a question about the shoulders leading the arms. I tried this at the range and it worked great. Once my back is facing the target I think of turning my shoulders and upper torso and let the arms follow. I hit the ball sweet long and straight.
Heres my question is there any mention of this in TGM?
I've read that as long as I maintain my spine angle I won't come over the top.
Everytime I try this at the range it works great. I also have good results using Tom Tomasello's advice.
Is this just a fluke that will turn on me or is this a valid swing method in having the shoulders lead the arms in the swing?
Thanks
Ralph

Originally Posted by Yoda Not only is this move in The Book, ralphs007, it is considered the Master Power Accumulator (of four). Its basic function is explained in 6-B-4-0 and its Maximum Power and Maximum Trigger Delay are explained respectively in 6-B-4-A and -C.

It is the period of Shoulder Acceleration during the Start Down (8-7), i.e., the Pivot (7-12) transporting the Power Package (6-0) before any independent movement of the Arms occurs (6-K-0). The initial Thrust thus supplied, the Arms then Deliver the Loaded Power Package to the Release Point. This is the period of Hand Acceleration (8-8 ).

Then, the selected Release Trigger takes over -- Left Wrist (Swingers) or Right Arm (Hitters) -- and Delivers the entire Primary Lever Assembly -- the Left Arm and Club -- into Impact. This is the period of the lengthening Right Arm (6-A-1; 6-B-1-0; Active/Hitting or Passive/Swinging) and Clubhead Acceleration (8-9).

All of which leads to Impact...that most delicious period of Ball Acceleration (8-10).

In other words...

CRACK!!!

Always, I mean -always, great to read your posts, yoda.


I wanted to add-

Thats the Pivot Lag Train. The Body Leads the Arms that Leads the Club. This is basic Clubhead Lag. This is all under control of the Hands. The body is not yanking the arms around willy nilly. Be careful not to get off Plane. The pivot, arms and club are inline- in rhythm, TGM style- making beautiful music, not noise.

nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi
Thanks to everyone who replied. I keep notes on what worked for me when I practice . One day I was fooling around with the shoulders leading the arms. I never hit the ball so pure and on target. I wasn't sure I should stay with this method but the ball seamed to take off like a rocket. I was afraid of coming over the top. Today I tried it again and I was amazed at the power and accuracy I had.
It seams as long as I maintane my spine angle I'm not going to go left.
Thanks again everybody!!!
Ralph

Love it when Yoda talks with numbers.

Is the initial focus for this start, coming from the left or the right shoulder for a right handed player?

Originally Posted by spike Is the initial focus for this start, coming from the left or the right shoulder for a right handed player?

Right Shoulder hopefully is On Plane, the Left Shoulder is not. The Geometry of Shoulder control deals only with the Right Shoulder.

And that kind of answer is why I like it here! Thanks Drewitgolf!

Edit: ....and so much more

I had the yellow book but can not find it right now. I wasn't able to understand it anyway.

I have been trying to hold my shoulders back until the arms fall while keeping the right wrist bent. This seems to be the opposite of what you are saying. I go this from Mark Evershed. Would I be better off leading with the shoulders?

Originally Posted by rprevost This discussion has me confused. If I try to move my shoulders first to initiate the downstroke, I have no consistency at all. When I try to swing my arms and let my pivot--which I understand includes the shoulder turn--respond to the swinging of my arms, I hit it consistently straight. This past Friday, I hit a 3-wood 250, which for me is an exceptionally long 3-wood, with the conscious swing thought of keeping my right shoulder back to allow my arms to swing in front of my body. I swng my arms and let my pivot follow, which allows the pivot to deliver my arms and the swinging club to the ball. That is just the opposite of what seems to me described above. Am I doing it wrong?

If the results are consistently good, don't mess with it.

The Accelerating Thrust of Centrifugal Force is a Pulling Lengthwise Motion which results in a Throw Out Action. It can be accomplished by the Left Arm or the Right Arm, both are in a condition to Pull. It is your choice which one you use. Left Arm Swingers (using the Left Shoulder as the Stroke Center) use the Pivot to create a Transfer of Body Momentum. Right Arm Swingers (using the Right Elbow as the Stroke Center) use the Right Tricep to Pull and may not need thet use of Body Momentum.

Originally Posted by drewitgolf The Accelerating Thrust of Centrifugal Force is a Pulling Lengthwise Motion which results in a Throw Out Action. It can be accomplished by the Left Arm or the Right Arm, both are in a condition to Pull. It is your choice which one you use. Left Arm Swingers (using the Left Shoulder as the Stroke Center) use the Pivot to create a Transfer of Body Momentum. Right Arm Swingers (using the Right Elbow as the Stroke Center) use the Right Tricep to Pull and may not need thet use of Body Momentum.

If I am a right-arm swinger, how should I relate my pattern to Yoda's previous comment on the initial shoulder turn, "It is the period of Shoulder Acceleration during the Start Down (8-7), i.e., the Pivot (7-12) transporting the Power Package (6-0) before any independent movement of the Arms occurs (6-K-0). The initial Thrust thus supplied, the Arms then Deliver the Loaded Power Package to the Release Point. This is the period of Hand Acceleration (8-8 )"?

This quotation suggests that one should begin the downstroke with the pivot and then begin swinging the arms as delivery of the power package. Is this to be understood as one pattern among many, or should this be a part of every pattern? The reason this interests me is that I have finally found consistency and power once I figured out how to accomplish the three imperatives by allowing my pivot to respond to the arm swing, rather than having my pivot drive my arm swing.

Originally Posted by rprevost This discussion has me confused. If I try to move my shoulders first to initiate the downstroke, I have no consistency at all. When I try to swing my arms and let my pivot--which I understand includes the shoulder turn--respond to the swinging of my arms, I hit it consistently straight. This past Friday, I hit a 3-wood 250, which for me is an exceptionally long 3-wood, with the conscious swing thought of keeping my right shoulder back to allow my arms to swing in front of my body. I swng my arms and let my pivot follow, which allows the pivot to deliver my arms and the swinging club to the ball. That is just the opposite of what seems to me described above. Am I doing it wrong?

How can a 250 yard 3 wood be wrong. How about overly right As they say, BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!!

DG

This discussion has me confused. If I try to move my shoulders first to initiate the downstroke, I have no consistency at all. When I try to swing my arms and let my pivot--which I understand includes the shoulder turn--respond to the swinging of my arms, I hit it consistently straight. This past Friday, I hit a 3-wood 250, which for me is an exceptionally long 3-wood, with the conscious swing thought of keeping my right shoulder back to allow my arms to swing in front of my body. I swng my arms and let my pivot follow, which allows the pivot to deliver my arms and the swinging club to the ball. That is just the opposite of what seems to me described above. Am I doing it wrong?