Input on Book "The Final Missing Piece"

Mr. Lynn,
Moorejr from Huntsville, Alabama. I would like to know if you have had a chance to review the book by V.J. Trolio "The Final Missing Piece of Ben Hogan's Secret Puzzle? I would like to add this to my library as a reference. Thanks for speaking with me.

moorejr

Thank you Mr. Lynn, I am the "rocket scientist" from Huntsville, I still plan to schedule a session with you.

i have the book and am interested to see what lynn has to say about the secret

Originally Posted by joe curtis i have the book and am interested to see what lynn has to say about the secret

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2249 post 10

Now this is NOT Yodas response to the book but it is an interesting quote from Homer regarding Hogan's hip action (I understand that VJ feels that it is the hip action that is the key? is that correct ?) - Yoda quotes Homer's description of Hogan's hip action as....

"Ben Hogan's 'Flip' Of the Hips

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Originally Posted by tongzilla

Note that this does not mean you should violently spin your hips to the finish, in fact, quite the opposite. I personally like to associate this with the feeling of tapping a flywheel, because you only need a light 'push' and it keeps spinning forever (well...almost). You don't try to turn the flywheel by guiding it with your hands.

Homer Kelley would have agreed, Leo. He came to understand 'Instant Acceleration' Hip Action and Drag Loading (10-19-C) by studying the swing of Ben Hogan. In describing Hogan's action, he used the phrase "'flip' of the hips."

This lightning quick movement Loaded the Lag and set up the Centrifugal Downstoke Sequence. But, beyond that little "flip," Homer maintained that nothing more was required of the Body other than that it continue to lead the Power Package Down Plane."

I obtained the paperback copy of the book and completed reading last night. The stills from video show the point that is identified as the missing piece. I have in the past worked on this movement but did not know when in the sequence of my swing to implement, in a manner that would provide optimal results. I have reviewed text and photos from several books on Hogan especially the ones showing the rearward view. Also the photo of Hogan beside Lynn gives a good illustration of the point that is being made (My Opinion). Thank you for your input.

moorejr

still want to know your thoughts on the missing link

Originally Posted by Yoda A description of Ben Hogan's Swing? In one word: Powerful. In another word: Accurate. In an all-inclusive third: Efficient. But...

It wasn't always that way.

At first long and loose, his Total Motion became a Darwinian case study in the Evolution of a Golf Stroke. By the end of his career, all unnecessary frills had been stripped away. Unless something had to move, it didn't. Ben Hogan sought Golfing Perfection, and in that pursuit there was only utility.

Form followed Function. Or was jettisoned. His Hands, which early on traveled to an End Top behind his Head, ultimately found their Top at Right Shoulder High and On Plane. His Lower Body, formerly dominated by extremely active Feet and Knees, became a stable Platform from which to mount the powerful assault of his Arms and Upper Body upon the Ball.

His Grip had evolved from a Turned Left Wrist and its Double Wristcock Action (Cock and Bend) to a Vertical Left Wrist and a Single Action (Wristcock Only). In short, without the benefit of today's Swing coaches, psychologists and trainers, Ben Hogan had realized his dream: Driven by a burning desire and working only with his own God-given gifts, he had become a Golfing Machine. And in so doing, he lit the lamps along Golf's Pathway for future generations to follow.

That torch has now been passed, and the mission of Lynn Blake Golf is to continue the pursuit of Golfing Perfection. Most of all, we are dedicated to helping you find its application to your Game. Armed with our own burning desire and the practical, working knowledge of Homer Kelley's magnificent work The Golfing Machine, we boldly set forth on this uncharted journey.

Bon Voyage!

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I know a fellow that played the tour with Mr. Hogan. He said the sound of Hogan hitting was quite unique. He could tell it was Hogan, just by hearing the sound of the strike.

He said when Hogan would occasionally strike a shot he did not like, he would take a big, long draw on that cigarette. I don't think he had to do that very often.

He said Mr. Hogan could putt quite well cross-handed, but he would only do it in practice rounds. He could not bring himself to putt that way in tournaments.

Mr. Hogan would not talk to many people, but he said Mr. Hogan woud talk to some people that he liked. My friend, evidently, was one of these people.

Trevino said when he met Hogan who was
eating soup.. his friend introduced Lee
as the next great ball striker.....Ben just
looked down and kept eating.....

Morale of story: As Mr. Miagi in Karate kid movie
said: " SHOW "

Talk is cheap!


Jimma

While it is a bit cold and snowy to try out the recommended move now (I live in New York), I did like the book very, very much.

It is a very quick read and the proceeds go to a good cause. The drills seem straight forward and I will give them a go when the weather warms up a bit more.

In fact I liked it so much I plan to give out several during the holidays to my firends who are Hogan fans. I am hoping to get a few signed by the author (I haven't called yet to inquire) and I know my boss will love it (big, big, Hogan fan.....He actually got to see him play a few times....A bit older than I am to say the least).

I can't tell you yet if it works or if Hogan did it all the time but I think the book is very well done and a great addition to your Hogan reading materials (I have them all).

I got it Today,
Great -thanks VJ
Mr Kelly says use the hip bump.
Mr Trolio confirms it.
Mr Blake does it.
Recently [last 5 years],as well as taking lessons from my club Pro[an AI] and various teachers from Georgia and Mississippi -[all AI's] I have also been "digging it out in the dirt".I have not had a lesson for about a year -but I have found myself getting closer to feeling i was "on my left leg"

The book confirms what has proved to improve my swing-together with the application of TGM.
Cheers Trolio and LBG

P.S. I only bought 4 copies, sorry VJ but we can't have us Euros getting too good before the Ryder Cup!

Originally Posted by neil I got it Today,
Great -thanks VJ
Mr Kelly says use the hip bump.
Mr Trolio confirms it.
Mr Blake does it.
Recently [last 5 years],as well as taking lessons from my club Pro[an AI] and various teachers from Georgia and Mississippi -[all AI's] I have also been "digging it out in the dirt".I have not had a lesson for about a year -but I have found myself getting closer to feeling i was "on my left leg"

The book confirms what has proved to improve my swing-together with the application of TGM.
Cheers Trolio and LBG

This post was actually -very incorrect .Since no one criticised it ,I will.
Lynn does not perform this move IMO ,but after his hip bump he ends up in the same position.
VJ is not advocating a hip bump in the book .
It seems to me you can do either.
Does anyone feel that VJ's book is only for those who want to play a fade? or can it be incorporated into any swing?

Originally Posted by kmmcnabb
I think the book is very well done and a great addition to your Hogan reading materials (I have them all).

All of them? Care to make a list?

I will start. "Ben Hogan and Buster" by Art Barr Jr. If you have that one I will be very impressed.

How about Hogan meets the Bucket over Home Fries?

Who could forget that best seller?

UPP in almost playable except for the snow Ohio

Have completing reading the book (twice actually) with a small interruption to tape back together my 5 Lessons - The Modern Fundamentals of Golf. It has seen better days, got it in 1973 and well it I have books that are 2 to 3 times older but have nowhere seen the wear this book has. Guess I will have to consider breaking out a new copy.

My Opinion, it is a keeper.

The Author did an excellent job of making his point and backing it up with actual Hogan pics.

Sidenote before going on, I think just about anyone who writes a golf book could learn something from this book. On two pages he takes the time to provide a diagram and pictures with lines, to show and define terms and concepts that was used in validating his work. Having this separate and then going through the validation IMO makes this extremely easy to grasp and understand, basically at first you focus on the terms next you focus on the validation using the terms. Well Done IMO.

A while back 'Swing Like a Pro' came out, it is often said to be flawed because of the model definition. But in that work they advocated the same movement in the same time sequence. They never really gave much rationality for it, other that to do it. Many have said this was BS.

VJ has provide an easy book to read, you can skip the technical stuff as a student, provides drills and appears to have dotted all the i's and crossed all the tee's. He does provide a reference page for adjustments to the 5 Lessons. Remember this book is not a method, but about a method.

Along with this secret piece is a good job of identify the pieces of the hogan golf stroke and some good thoughts and information to apply to any golf stroke method/style.

Great Job.

Downside, it would have been, okay I am lazy, to have at the end a separate sheet for each change to the 5 lessons, this I could copy them or remove them and include them in my 5 Lessons. For me that is easy since my current version of the 5 Lesson is just about all loose leaf pages (argh).

Great Job, its a keeper.

Afternoon with LBG Pro and the HAWK.





I found it, i tried it and i did it....Got a Longest Drive Trophy!

Originally Posted by KOC I found it, i tried it and i did it....Got a Longest Drive Trophy!

stud!

Lynn,

What "powers" the Basic & Acquired motions, right forearm or pivot?

I have tried for years to get the motion down and compressing the ball without the shaft flipping. I get it about 85% but not fully dead hands feeling (drag the mop). I have been to Ben Doyle and he stated it was the pivot of the body, and axis tilt. Or as he described it ("turn the tee pot & tilt the tee pot).

What is the power source, Utley says right leg, Tomasello the straightening right arm, Ben the pivot.

Help!!

Wojo1941

Lynn did you get a chance to read it?

Chris

Ted, have you read "The Final Missing Piece"? Would like your
thoughts as to the initial move to the left side as it pertains to
a hitter. I had a couple of Hitters make the move and it appeared
to improve their Hit. Seems that Hogan had some similarites such
as his GOTO shot was a punch, hands did not go past shoulder high,
shoulders through impact seemed more angular than horizontal and
Hogan felt like the downswing plane was more out. V.J. points out
that Hogans downswing was more actually down the line.
I am convinced that Hogan was a swinger but wounder if some of
Hogans initial moves could be used for a Hitter?