Yoda Swing Sequence

hg
Originally Posted by Yoda ... With my 1.4 index and decidedly rusty action, I figured the best I could do was to keep us from having the big 'blow up' that so often happens when high handicappers just can't finish a hole. To my surprise, I shot an even par 72 and was able to cut the team three shots (including a birdie 3 on the #1 handicap hole, one of only two holes I stroked on )

Great round of golf Yoda...you must have been using the full motion swing as sequenced below. This sequence was captured from an action clip on the soon to be released VJ-Yoda DVD.
okie
Decent move! I love the flat left foot at the finish...no over rotation. since learning the penny drill I have been looking at this particular component. Rarely does a good player splay the left foot in the follow through (exceptions excluded.) does this suggest more down and out? When I get the down right my left foot stays put. Tommy T did this particulary well. TGM does not deal in "tips" but this is a worthwhile suggestion for some.

What did Joe Norwood say about over rotation?

Pleasing to the eye and laden with precision, Yoda!
hg
Yoda

There seems to be no questions regarding your sequence...so I will take the lead and begin with observations regarding your setup as shown in the 1st frame above. It appears that the head is centered relative to your stance and that the hips are a little in front of center with your right knee in a slightly kicked in forward position. Your hips appear slightly forward of center and the shoulders which is creating a bit of spine tilt. The hands appear to be slightly forward of center placing the shaft more in line with the left arm. Is this an accurate assessment of your setup alignments?

HG
Yoda
Originally Posted by hg Yoda

It appears that the head is centered relative to your stance and that the hips are a little in front of center with your right knee in a slightly kicked in forward position. Your hips appear slightly forward of center and the shoulders which is creating a bit of spine tilt. The hands appear to be slightly forward of center placing the shaft more in line with the left arm. Is this an accurate assessment of your setup alignments?
A very good assessment, hg. Thanks!



With regards to the Right Knee, note that there has been no deliberate effort to 'kick' it in with independent Knee Action. The Knee simply has been pulled into this alignment by the slight Hip Slide:
"Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION. Substituting a Head Motion and/or a Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable."

-- Homer Kelley (7-14)
Also, as you have correctly noted, the slight Axis (spine) tilt is the result of the Hip Slide forward -- the base of the spine moves toward the Target while the Head (and the top of the spine) remains Centered and fixed -- and not the Head (and with it, the top of the spine) being dropped backward! This is an important point that is missed by so many, and while the 'Head back' location can (and must) be compensated, that positioning affects the Left Shoulder Location and thus disrupts the basic geometry of the entire Stroke.

That same Hip Slide is also responsible for the slightly forward Hand Location (note that they remain 'mid-Body'). The appearance is somewhat exaggerated by a centered Ball Location (I am hitting a 7-Iron and emphasizing the Downward strike).

By the way, I call this 'Standard Address with an attitude!' -- -- because of the 'set' left and the slight Forward Lean of the Clubshaft (instead of the classic right angled to the Line). Actually, this Address is probably closer to the Half-and-Half (10-9-C), i.e., Body in Impact Position and Hands in Address Condition (Bent Left Wrist). Compare the postions at Address (Frame 1) and Impact (Frames 12-14), and you be the judge!

But, please be gentle. Remember:
"Few . . . components will exactly fit any of the Catalog Variations but they can and should be adjusted to the nearest orthodox Variation most compatible with the rest of the proposed Basic Pattern."

-- Homer Kelley (12-0)
alojoo
Originally Posted by Yoda A very good assessment, hg. Thanks!



Also, as you have correctly noted, the slight Axis (spine) tilt is the result of the Hip Slide forward -- the base of the spine moves toward the Target while the Head (and the top of the spine) remains Centered and fixed -- and not the Head (and with it, the top of the spine) being dropped backward! This is an important point that is missed by so many, and while the 'Head back' location can (and must) be compensated, that positioning affects the Left Shoulder Location and thus disrupts the basic geometry of the entire Stroke.


Hi Yoda and everyone !

I'm not sure if you mean by the "head and the top of the spine" (the green text), the neck and the head (the cervical curve),

or this section of the spine: somewhere in the thoracic curve, and from that point, to the head, this longer section of the spine remains fixed, motionless, having as an indicator: a fixed chest or shoulders, while the hips slide forward parallel to the plane line. At startdown.

12 piece bucket
Somebody find a sequence of Leadbetter's move or one of them other dingleberry top 100 cats . . . bet that lil' green freak's move will out shine them. . . .
mrodock
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Somebody find a sequence of Leadbetter's move or one of them other dingleberry top 100 cats . . . bet that lil' green freak's move will out shine them. . . .
Have you seen Haney's driver swing lately? In a word, inspiring. As in, inspiring me to vomit uncontrollably.

Love to see the Green guy swing it.
Yoda
Originally Posted by alojoo
I'm not sure if you mean by the "head and the top of the spine" (the green text), the neck and the head (the cervical curve), or this section of the spine: somewhere in the thoracic curve, and from that point, to the head, this longer section of the spine remains fixed, motionless, having as an indicator: a fixed chest or shoulders, while the hips slide forward parallel to the plane line. At startdown.
Visualize the spine as the pendulum of a grandfather clock. It swings to and fro from a fixed center. That's the idea, and it is the way the golfer's Pivot operates (with respect to lateral motion). In accomplishing this objective, the Hips must move independently of the Head and Shoulders ('Hula Hula flexibility' per 7-14) in order for the Pivot to remain Centered.

Whether you choose to use the Head as the Pivot Center (Homer Kelley's recommendation as the First Essential / 2-0) or the point 'between the shoulders' (the alternative offered in The Glossary) is immaterial. Just keep something 'up top' stationary, and you will achieve your objective: Namely, a Centered Arc. It is no accident that the first two items in The Machine (1-L #1 and #2) deal with precisely this point.

By the way, stabilizing the lower part of the Pivot -- the Feet, Knees and Waist Bend -- goes a long way toward stabilizing the upper part. In fact, that is their major function (7-16).

O.B.Left
Originally Posted by hg Great round of golf Yoda...you must have been using the full motion swing as sequenced below. This sequence was captured from an action clip on the soon to be released VJ-Yoda DVD.
Yoda. I love your pivot seen here. Your hip motion, hip action, axis tilt, cleared right hip, early bump , centered head etc.

What component variations are we seeing here in TGM terms?

Thanks

O.B. Left
KevCarter
Originally Posted by O.B.Left Yoda. I love your pivot seen here. Your hip motion, hip action, axis tilt, cleared right hip, early bump , centered head etc.

What component variations are we seeing here in TGM terms?

Thanks

O.B. Left
May I please bump for OB's question. Beautiful motion. I think it may even have a touch of VJ Trolio's secret going on. I would LOVE to learn more about what you think about your swing Yoda! A list of components would go a long way in assisting me...

Thank You,
Kevin
airair
Yoda, if you also answer questions from an ignorant beginner (with regards to TGM) may I ask: What we here see, is it a hitter or a swinger? (How do we see that?).

Is it a good idea for a hitter to address the ball from an impact fix position?
innercityteacher
Originally Posted by airair Yoda, if you also answer questions from an ignorant beginner (with regards to TGM) may I ask: What we here see, is it a hitter or a swinger? (How do we see that?).

Is it a good idea for a hitter to address the ball from an impact fix position?
...4 days of lessons and massive amounts of kibitzing which will hopefully lead to massive amounts of other business etc., etc., etc.

Yoda does answer questions for all sorts of people but he might not do it today. Most of our brain trust is with Yoda, too, at this event so double phooey.

I could tell you what I know, but we both know that is limited. You have several really good options, however. 1) Go to our PM option (personal mail) and open a buddy list. 2) Look up KevCarter, JerryG, Daryl, O.B.Left and EDZ. 3) Send them your questions. They are fabulous people as far as I can tell. They will answer your questions, effectively. 4) Your other option while waiting for their responses, is to use our "search" function and look up "Impact Fix," "Startup," "Downswing," and any other term that interests you.

I have an impact bag in my basement and a higher ceiling . I also have 3 little dogs (and one does look like Toto), who always need to go out. I get a concept, take the dogs out, whack the bag using my new-found insights for 20 minutes and my wife thinks I'm a genius. The dogs like me and I even think of questions I can harass Daryl, with, which is very fun.

Is it still very light at night in your location? When does golfing stop there? Do you have indoor golf ranges?

Onward!

Patrick
airair
You are very helpfull and give good advice.
Yes, we have an indoor range (opens in Oktober)
O.B.Left
Originally Posted by airair Yoda, if you also answer questions from an ignorant beginner (with regards to TGM) may I ask: What we here see, is it a hitter or a swinger? (How do we see that?).
If I remember correctly the swing sequence in question was part of video in which Yoda described a hammer like action of the left wrist and arm, a hammering down. This would be consistent with a (left) Wrist Throw 10-20-E, a Swingers thing. A non Automatic firing of the #2 angle , the left wrist cock a deliberate hammering down action that actively uncocks the left wrist.