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It is only a reverse weight shift, if you let the weight go AWAY from the target after you start the downswing. What is your rear foot position in relation to the target line? Is it flared out or perpindicular. Perpindicular usually helps restrict the hip turn to 45 degrees, whereas flared out is used by less flexible people since it allows the hip to turn more.

Originally Posted by finster869 It is only a reverse weight shift, if you let the weight go AWAY from the target after you start the downswing. What is your rear foot position in relation to the target line? Is it flared out or perpindicular. Perpindicular usually helps restrict the hip turn to 45 degrees, whereas flared out is used by less flexible people since it allows the hip to turn more.

perpindicular-when I take my shoulder turn my right hip turns back toward the target. When I look at pictures of pros it looks like their hip hardly move until their shoulders are almost at full turn.

My hips turn with the shoulders-from the very start.Then my hips stop at 45 and my shoulder keep turning. I would like to have them still at the start and then pulled around by the shoulders.

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by jerry1967
Any suggestions?

Jerry,

Pay close attention to the movement of your knees when you make your backswing. Notice what happens with the right knee.

If you want to restrict your hip movement, keep your right knee in its bent/forward address position during your backstroke. Think about locking it down, just to get the feel of it. Not a good long term swing thought, but while you are learning to pay attention to the knees it should do the trick. You can still shift your weight to your right heel while doing this, which brings me to the second swing thought - sit down on your right heel.

Prepare for a tight backstroke because you won't be over-turning.

thank you for the message.

Originally Posted by jerry1967 perpindicular-when I take my shoulder turn my right hip turns back toward the target.

Sounds like you slide the hip toward the target while moving the pivot and head away from the target. In other words, your backswing consists of 50% rotational and 50% lateral movement, which is just your way (or interpretation) of making the backswing. Nothing seriously wrong except a bit more complicated and difficult to control.

When I look at pictures of pros it looks like their hip hardly move until their shoulders are almost at full turn.

I believe theirs are a lot more (if not entirely) rotational. Besides, it takes a hip action reverse to that of the shoulders to restrict its own motion (instant "Pivot Lag" loading), instead of trying to keep it steady while making the shoulder turn. Just like what seems a pause at the top is actually the result of "Clubhead Lag" loading. what seems a steady head is actually the result of pure pivot ratation. What seems a "XXX" is actually the result of "OOO".

How about the downswing? It's simple, just the opposite. Turn the shoulders toward the ball while turning the hips away (from it) synchronized right at the begining and then coming down together. Watch AK's swing, who probably has the least (if not none) downswing lateral hip motion among the pros, and imagine how he makes the move.

Another typical case of "seeing is one thing, doing is another".

My hips turn with the shoulders-from the very start. Then my hips stop at 45 and my shoulder keep turning.

That's the typical "text-book" move. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as the "Pivot Lag" got loaded eventually.

I would like to have them still at the start and then pulled around by the shoulders.

Any suggestions?

Well, try that "opposite" move and see how it works.

Originally Posted by jerry1967 when I turn my shoulders in the back swing my right hip goes behind me which I think turns into a reverse weight shift.

any suggestions on how my right hip should feel in the proper back swing?

Hows it working out?

For me the right hip (ALONE not the left hip or left knee ec) turns, pulls back at the start of the swing. The right hip may pull the left knee , hip but the hight hip is boss. Its is a very conscious move. This alone can move the club away the first few inches or so it seems. This creates some room for and allows the right elbow and therefore the club to take its proper back, up and IN path in start up. 3 dimensional start up preparing us for a 3 dimensional downswing and impact , hopefully.

I should also add that when combined with a fanning and pickup of the right forearm (right forearm takeaway) there is no conscious attempt to turn the shoulders. None. The shoulders respond to or are pulled along by the right arm and in so doing travel only much as they need to......the perfect amount. Hands to pivot.

Weird? Ya, but simple and oh so beautiful. Pulling is better than pushing. The shoulders when driving the backswing dont know when to stop. Precision is lost. Pivot to hands. Popular but misguided.

Thanks be to Yoda (tbty)