Hogan in Mexico

Hope this link works. Nice footage of Hogan practicing in 1956.

Enjoy
ob



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Nice footage! I really like VJ Trolio's book, and you can really see what VJ is teaching in those swings!



Kevin

Its slightly off speed, but beautiful all the same. Trance like.

ob

Thanks for the great clip

Love all the wedge shots

nice find OB!

I very much enjoyed it

This is the best footage of Hogan ever filmed, IMO. Too bad that it is not available on YouTube any more. The guy whose father fimed it was very generous (initially) to share this fantastic video with the rest of the world.

Cheers

Pay very close attention to how well Hogan keeps his hands and chest in synch.

This is a perfect example of what 'connection' is, and is a core reason why Hogan was so consistent (and even why someone like Curtis Strange could move around so much, and still have a lot of success).

Excellent views of Hogan's motion.

Originally Posted by EdZ Pay very close attention to how well Hogan keeps his hands and chest in synch.

Yes this speaks directly to GPStyles' revelation, that with the proper set of high waisted slacks he could have a "keep the underside of your upper arms glued to your belt" mental image to make this connection you speak of automatic.


Edz, what is it about Hogans swing? There is something so beautiful but I cant articulate what it is really, or why I even like it. It defines something but I know not what. Is it CF?

ob

i think he is just like a machine. Sergio has some of it, but he seems to manipulate alot in the hitting area, Hogan just seems to flow, awesome.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left .


what is it about Hogans swing? There is something so beautiful but I cant articulate what it is really, or why I even like it. It defines something but I know not what. Is it CF?

He is always in control of the club. The club never controls him. He also has outstanding Accumulator Lag 6-C-0 (Storage 6-D-0) and a long Follow Through 8-11.

Originally Posted by drewitgolf He is always in control of the club. The club never controls him. He also has outstanding Accumulator Lag 6-C-0 (Storage 6-D-0) and a long Follow Through 8-11.

Yes good notes. There is controlled lag of the highest order. As if there is something special in his relationship with inertia . Like he wants all he can possibly get and he will nurse it for a long as he can? A giant vessel of lag with a steady, slow release valve.

I cant explain his swings majesty. And I cant think of another example in golf or sports in general of a motion so studied or universally appealing. Maybe in the arts, maybe it is art.

If, after theoretical golf surgery, our hands were truly just clamps, with their range of motion restricted in certain directions, would we all tend to look more Hogan like? Its all about the hands again maybe.

ob

Originally Posted by O.B.Left Yes this speaks directly to GPStyles' revelation, that with the proper set of high waisted slacks he could have a "keep the underside of your upper arms glued to your belt" mental image to make this connection you speak of automatic.


Edz, what is it about Hogans swing? There is something so beautiful but I cant articulate what it is really, or why I even like it. It defines something but I know not what. Is it CF?

ob

He is perfectly in balance, on plane, and in Rhythm with a very stable center. And of course, a master of maintaining lag pressure, which I'd say he can feel all the way from his feet, to PP #3.

The connection isn't an 'action', it is a result of proper Rhythm and balance. If you look at players who had contact with Hogan, they all are great examples of that hands to chest relationship. Venturi, Knudson, Faldo to name a few. Mike Austin had this as well (as can be seen in his training aid, the 'flamer'). One of the big keys to why the figure 8 strap is a great training aid - learning the feel of that relationship.

Originally Posted by EdZ One of the big keys to why the figure 8 strap is a great training aid - learning the feel of that relationship.

Able to keep your Flying Wedges intact with that thing on ?

Originally Posted by drewitgolf Able to keep your Flying Wedges intact with that thing on ?

Yep.... the trick is to get the feel for the 'connection' with it in the usual position (near elbows) and then once you have that feel, move it down to just above the wrists (a few twists of the figure 8 will take out the slack). You still have the same feels of 'connection', but can keep the flying wedges, specificially the right forearm flying wedge, in alignment.

Originally Posted by EdZ He is perfectly in balance, on plane, and in Rhythm with a very stable center. And of course, a master of maintaining lag pressure, which I'd say he can feel all the way from his feet, to PP #3.

The connection isn't an 'action', it is a result of proper Rhythm and balance. If you look at players who had contact with Hogan, they all are great examples of that hands to chest relationship. Venturi, Knudson, Faldo to name a few. Mike Austin had this as well (as can be seen in his training aid, the 'flamer'). One of the big keys to why the figure 8 strap is a great training aid - learning the feel of that relationship.

I know connection can get a bad rap at times . . . . that connection deal with Mr. Hogan had LOTS to do with his hand path and plane angle too. You posted in another area about #1 being on the circle . . . . no question Hogan did that better than anyone.

A few observations . . . .

1. The connection deal . . . . for your arms to stay that "close to" or "with" your body you HAVE TO MAKE A REALLY GOOD PIVOT . . . no bobbing . . . or off plane shoulder motion. Not in the pictures how Mr. Hogan's head is lower at impact than at address . . he don't really do it like Tiger does . . . his head goes down on the backstroke unlike Eldrick who goes down coming down. In addition to that Hogan goes back up and in on plane fast due to his plane angle . . . so his arms don't look "away" from him as much as some like say Phil or Hoke . . . Phil's arms run off and Hoke just stays on the Turning Shoulder Plane.

2. Henny pointed this out which I thought was interesting . . . . Hogan sets a lot of lag but he RELEASES it . . . he's not dragging it in there really deep like Ben Doyle . . . he loads tons but he's letting it whip out via a suuuuuuuuuper fast release of #4 and #1.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
2. Henny pointed this out which I thought was interesting . . . . Hogan sets a lot of lag but he RELEASES it . . . he's not dragging it in there really deep like Ben Doyle . . . he loads tons but he's letting it whip out via a suuuuuuuuuper fast release of #4 and #1.

Yes, a very key source of power. Reminds me of a quote from one of the Mike Austin dvd's re: the swingers sequenced release and throw out

"the only part of the release that is delayed is the turning of the wrist back to the ball" (accumulator #3)

In other words - you 'can' throw (uncock) very intentionally, and with a lot of force, as long as you don't roll at the same time and are on plane. As long as the release is sequenced. At release point, Hogan really released with a lot of force.

There is a LOT of mechanical advantage in the swingers sequenced release. It is a very efficient move.

Imagine trying to throw the club 'down' into the ground from top, while keeping your back to the target as long as possible. Get the feel for that 'uncock THEN rolll'.

Swing smarter, not harder

picture 1 pivot lag , accumulator lag and clubhead lag

picture 2 less pivot lag , less accumulator lag and clubhead lag

and 2-m-3 , " unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 accumulator through impact , its assignmentduring that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery , guidance and support of the power package , because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during delivery ."

all controlled by pressure point #3



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