roll when club is horizontal to ground

What is the difference in roll when the club is horizontal to the ground and when it is incline to the ground?

Your right I don't understand that's why I need your answers.

Thanks for the answer.

Originally Posted by Yoda For Ideal Compression (2-C-1), on all Planes (Inclined, Horizontal or Vertical) the Flat Left Wrist remains Vertical (to the ground / horizontal plane) through Impact. This assues a 'Closing Only' Motion of the Clubface, i.e., no Layback (and hence, no loss of Compression).

Assuming a golfer operating on the Horizontal Plane -- a very unlikely situation -- the Feel will be No Roll. On the Inclined Plane -- almost always the case -- the Feel will be Roll. In both instances, there will be a Full Roll of the Clubface (Clubhead toe along the Target Line in the Follow-Through / Section 11). Not the Half-Roll of Angled Hinging or the No Roll of Vertical Hinging.

If you do not understand what I have written -- almost certainly the case -- you do not understand Hinge Action. Then, there are only two courses of action:

1. Quit, and forever rail against the 'complexity' of precision Mechanics while embracing the inadequacy of stand-alone Feel, or . . .

2. Study, and, ultimately, command the Action and own your Golf Stroke.

The choice is yours.

Yoda - would you agree that if you rephrase "flat left wrist" remains verticle to the ground in your bold above with "left arm flying wedge" (plane of the left wristcock) it is still a correct statement?

The reason I ask is that I've found for my grip, a truly verticle left wrist, makes it nearly impossible for me to create proper horizontal hinge motion of the clubface without a lot of compensation. Perhaps simply the way my particular anatomy functions. Much easeir to create a horizontal hinge, toe down the line at follow through if I take my natural left hand grip, the way it hangs at my side. Suffice to say, I am not a fan of the often heard phrase "back of the left hand faces the target" for the left hand grip.

Originally Posted by EdZ Much easeir to create a horizontal hinge, toe down the line at follow through if I take my natural left hand grip, the way it hangs at my side.

In my first lessons with Lynn, back when I was swinging and trying to horizontal hinge in startup, this is exactly how he described the "natural" left hand grip. With your hands hanging at your sides, the hand is aligned naturally at a slight angle, not perpendicular to the plane line but in line and on plane to its natural plane of motion .....to the mouth. "Hand to mouth" taking precedent in an evolutionary sense over "hand to golf plane".

So the flat left wrist is not necessarily truly flat but is geometrically flat, flat in name only, depending on grip type. Freddy's strong 10-2-D grip and resulting cup at top are "flat". The cup being the result of his grip types' hammer like pure vertical plane of motion, cock and uncock. I used to get to top with a bowed left wrist thinking that was flat, hard to cock that arrangement. Kind of Trevino like but without the end results. I'd added a little horizontal movement to what should have a pure vertical plane of motion.

Somewhere in all of this is consideration for the angle or arc of approach and the "flat" left wrist (or the pressure points) traveling at right angles to it. Still sorting through all of this myself. Its going to take a while. I figure another hundred years or so and Ill have it all down.

Thanks for all the great posts. Regards

ob