Clubhead low to the ground, start up

I am figuring out the difference between "Lagging clubhead takeaway 10-19-A" vs "Right forearm takeaway 7-3" for my golf stroke and studying.



As for Mr. Hogan, the clubhead was really keeping low to the ground almost a foot...it seems like to me that there was a strong weight shift (with reference to the iron bar behind in the attached photo) while hands and arms were quite passive. Ben Hogan made some statements in August 1998 Golf Magazine that "A common illustration is a right-handed player (whose left hand is naturally less powerful than his right) kills any chance for a cooperative union of both hands if his right hand is dominant form the start".

With the right forearm takeaway, it traces the base plane line...and instructors and members have been talking this, Yoda also mentioned that the LCT needs the function of right forearm tracing...

For me, when I use my right forearm, I just can't stop it from pulling and crushing my power package across my body so much and also across the line…still can’t get a good look at the top of my backstroke in video or I did that wrongly…

Anyway, what are the advantages and disadvantages in doing LCT or RFT? Or are they the same? Do you think Mr. Hogan's takeaway was right forearm dominant? Or kinds of pivot guided? In the book “The Natural Golf Swing” by George Knudson, it was said that weight shift starts everything…almost pivot controlled hands procedure throughout the book.

How we treat all information around and strike a balance between pivot (zone1) and arms (zone 2) and hands (zone 3) from start up to the top?

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Hogan is amazing. His posture/Address is perfect (if he would tilt his shoulders by using a little hip slide). Look at that Flat Right Wrist. Look how far his hands are behind the Ball at Address. Look at how subtle he turned his Right Hand to become Vertical to the Ground. The man is Fearless.

This is a Single Wrist Action RFT. ( with a lateral slide and from Standard Address position )

The Pink lines would indicate a One Piece Shoulder-turn Takeaway from Address.

He has moved the Hands more than the shoulders and the Clubhead more than the hands and he has moved his head about 3" off of the ball in this sequence. It looks like he starts the Clubhead, then hands, then shoulders, then head, or Head and Body first, then Clubhead, Hands then shoulders.

Notice that he moved his right elbow? Very different than the Standard Wrist Action Right Forearm takeaway. The Standard Wist Action RFT uses a stationary right elbow.

If you try adding a swivel to a Single Wrist Action RFT, that may acount for your problems. Also, with the RFT and MoTRF, the Left Arm should'nt get much closer than 45 degrees to your chest.

The RFT feels like the Swing is in front of you, not around you.

Originally Posted by Daryl

Hogan is amazing. His posture/Address is perfect (if he would tilt his shoulders by using a little hip slide). Look at that Flat Right Wrist. Look how far his hands are behind the Ball at Address. The man is Fearless.

The Pink lines would indicate a One Piece Shoulder-turn Takeaway from Address.

He has moved the Hands more than the shoulders and the Clubhead more than the hands and he has moved his head about 3" off of the ball in this sequence. It looks like he starts the Clubhead, then hands, then shoulders, then head, or Head and Body first, then Clubhead, Hands then shoulders.

Notice that he moved his right elbow? Very different than the Right Forearm takeaway. The RFT uses stationary shoulders and a stationary right elbow.

It sounds like either you're moving your left shoulder during the RFT or you're not using the Magic of the Right Forearm and Left Arm Checkrein after the RFT to direct your right elbow and Backstroke to the top.

The RFT feels like the Swing is in front of you, not around you.

Not gonna be as much "pick up" in Hogan's plane though. Also . . . I think the reason he keeps the club that low to the ground is the "lagging clubhead" takeaway . . . the weight of the club may actually be UNCOCKING his left wrist as he goes back some . . ??? not sure . . .

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Not gonna be as much "pick up" in Hogan's plane though. Also . . . I think the reason he keeps the club that low to the ground is the "lagging clubhead" takeaway . . . the weight of the club may actually be UNCOCKING his left wrist as he goes back some . . ??? not sure . . .

Hmm? If it's a Lagging Clubhead, then you better tell it to get back in-line where it belongs; lagging rather than leading.

He slid to the Right about 5" and move his hands laterally to the right 3" and his clubhead turned and moved to the right 4" so technically throughout this 18" Start-up the balance of the clubhead movement may just be the straightening of the Left Arm and Left Shoulder moving forward.

Look at the Right Elbow. There is evidence of it bending in the wrinkles in his sweater.

Agree about the crinkles in the cashmere at the right elbow, Daryl. The idea of the Hogan machine being right forearm powered is intriguing - as he basically described in 5 lessons...chain action etc hands move arms move shoulders etc...although as you say he did move his hips quite a bit in the slide first.

I like KOC's mischievous use of Annikin's audio and old Hogan footage (1:20 onwards)...also look how turned to plane the face is when right forearm level to ground:-



Worth reading some of the comments too! Everyone's entitled to an opinion...but when it comes to Hogan only the person giving that opinion is allowed to be right (in their opinion)

The second image of takeaway seems to be where Mo Norman started his takeaway from (more KOC again):-

Originally Posted by golfbulldog I like KOC's mischievous use of Annikin's audio and old Hogan footage (1:20 onwards)...also look how turned to plane the face is when right forearm level to ground:

That is interesting. I had to watch that a dozen times before I realized that on those few swings he fanned his right forearm around a stationary elbow as in Standard Wrist Action rather than his usual Single Wrist Action.

I wonder if that little demonstration of his, with the Right Arm only, programmed Standard Wrist Action into his next swing.

Originally Posted by golfbulldog The second image of takeaway seems to be where Mo Norman started his takeaway from (more KOC again):-

Moe seems to use a Single Wrist Action RFT also. He looks like a Hitter using a Right Arm Throw.

Was Moe a Hitter?

His swing looks unorthodox. I've never seen it in slow motion before. Canadians. But everyone praises it as producing almost perfect results.

there's a piece of video in that Hogan collection deal where he's demonstrating his backswing right arm only. It looked like wedge so I'm not sure if he was just showing a pitch shot or what.