Homer's Way

Homer selected to use a Zero Shift on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

First, why did he choose to do this? and Second:

Why in recent times do TGM trained instructors not select to teach and utilize this procedure more often? Usually we see most people with some shift, but why not work a student more towards a zero shift on the turned shoulder?

Originally Posted by joe curtis Homer selected to use a Zero Shift on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

Where does he say this?

it is the way he played.golf. he did not state how he played in the book.

Originally Posted by joe curtis it is the way he played.golf. he did not state how he played in the book.

Oh, sorry. I never saw him play.

Originally Posted by joe curtis Homer selected to use a Zero Shift on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

First, why did he choose to do this?

I could go on forever, but here are a few thoughts.....There are dozens more.

Because in a Hands Controlled Pivot, the #3 Pressure Point is Aimed Directly at the Ball or Aiming Point. It's a Straight Line Thrust, Un-wavering Lag Pressure, from the Top to Release. It's the Only Way that the #3 Pressure Point can Trace a Straight Plane Line from the Top to the Finish Swivel and direct the Power Package to the perfect Release Point. Because doing so is the Only Way for the Hands to Control what the Pivot should do. The Pivot Can't comply with a Plane Shift: the Pivot will take over the Hands.

If the Hands and Club Shift to a second plane, such as the Elbow Plane, all of the Pressure Points get jumbled up. Meaning that they Radically change Pressures during the Shift. That's a no-no. Get a very Tight Grip. That's why you see Golfers like Sergio, at the Top, prepare, by, at Startdown, Drop the Clubshaft to an Elbow Plane Angle BEFORE their hands start Down.

The Rigid Power Package can SERVE only one Plane Angle per Swing. If you Switch Planes then you must use a Non-Rigid Power Package. If you use a Non-Rigid Power Package by letting one or more components race ahead of another, then you will need to spend more money on Golf TIPS Magazines.

Originally Posted by joe curtis and Second:

Why in recent times do TGM trained instructors not select to teach and utilize this procedure more often? Usually we see most people with some shift, but why not work a student more towards a zero shift on the turned shoulder?

TGM Trained Instructors?

"Many are called, but few are chosen."

Yea, TGM trained in any sort, associated or non associated with TGM LLC., current AI or not. Ben Doyle is a big one that comes to mind that wants a double shift.

Why not ideally work a player to a zero shift procedure, yet it seems more customary to adjust the pattern in compliance with or around the associated shifts.

"TGM Trained Instructors " = why the smiley, leaves for needed explanation and or implication

Originally Posted by joe curtis Yea, TGM trained in any sort, associated or non associated with TGM LLC., current AI or not. Ben Doyle is a big one that comes to mind that wants a double shift.

Why not ideally work a player to a zero shift procedure, yet it seems more customary to adjust the pattern in compliance with or around the associated shifts.

"TGM Trained Instructors " = why the smiley, leaves for needed explanation and or implication

I agree with ya Joe. Zero Shift minimum at least on the Downstroke.

Professional Athletes spend 10-15 years under excellent guidance and proven methodology before turning Pro. Yet despite the similarities in training programs and coaching, some programs and coaching stand out among the crowd and are more sought out than the others.

On the other hand you have Golf. A new system is invented every year that hits the front cover of golf magazines. What does that tell you about a sport that's been around for 200 years.

The TGM uncompensated stroke pattern is not simple or easy to learn. It's probably the most difficult in Golf. The best instruction and understanding will get ya a 2 Barrel Swing. A 3 Barrel Swing needs more practice and precision. Years.

Who wants to bother with that?

99.9% of all TGM Instructors studied TGM so that they could understand the Methodology. Who said they could teach it? Who said that they understand TGM? The 2 week school that they paid to graduate from? The organization they pay annual dues to stay licensed or members in good standing?

I've only found a few who understand TGM, and I've been studying Twenty-five years. At twenty years I didn't understand anywhere near as much as I understand today. That's just understanding, not application. I still think I only understand half as much as I should about TGM and then there are true students of the Game that know a hundred times more than me that merge TGM with other disciplines and Golf Research.

How much knowledge should you have to teach TGM? I think it needs to be comprehensive. Know it and be able to perform it.

I called Ben Doyle about four years ago.
Ben: "how much TGM do you know?".
Me: "a lot".
Ben: "Tell me about 10-19-C?".
Me: "I don't have the book memorized."
Ben: "Then you don't know TGM."

Originally Posted by joe curtis Homer selected to use ... the Turned Shoulder Plane.
First, why did he choose to do this?

According to 10-13-D, the right shoulder moving towards impact precisely on the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane establishes and supports the power package alignments -- the ideal way for the shoulder to move. But for the shoulder to move down the clubshaft plane during the downswing, it should already be on this plane at the start of the downswing, no? Well, the right shoulder will be on the downswing plane by definition when swinging the club on the turned shoulder plane. Zero Shift + Turned Shoulder Plane = Fewer Complications

Which champion golfers kept the club on the shaft plane for a full swing? That is pretty flat isnt it? I can see it after a shift back to the TSP or for a short shot.

Doesn't Mr Garcia shift to the hands plane?

Originally Posted by O.B.Left Which champion golfers kept the club on the shaft plane for a full swing? That is pretty flat isnt it? I can see it after a shift back to the TSP or for a short shot.

The shaft plane at address don't mean shhhhhhhhhhh . . . .

Remember Mr. Kelley said you could clown the backstroke . . . the REAL plane is probably defined at Start Down . . . Then you can figure out what kinda shifting and junk is going on. All this junk about spot lining and crap . . . come on . . . who REALLY gets the face looking right at the target that's 100 plus yards away. Plane Angle shifts are HAZARDOUS and EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS THE CLOSER YOU GET TO PAY DIRT. Mr. Jack Nicklaus didn't match the shaft plane . . .





Hogan probably matched the Elbow Plane as good as anybody to ever lace 'em up.







Snead shifted it out and whipped it down to the Elbow Plane

On Plane? Where?

[quote=12 piece bucket;66622]The shaft plane at address don't mean shhhhhhhhhhh . . . .

Plane Angle shifts are HAZARDOUS and EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS THE CLOSER YOU GET TO PAY DIRT. Mr. Jack Nicklaus didn't match the shaft plane . . .



Let me refrase this. Who doesnt shift planes in Total Motion? Im thinking that ideally you start with the right elbow and hands on the shaft plane (what we call the elbow plane) and get back there at impact. The more minimal the shift the more consistent. But I cant think of anyone with zero shift. Moe came close but he had an almost zeroed out #3 angle too. Perhaps this was his secret? Basic and Acquired are a different story, there you can find zero shifts.