Tracing the plane line

So obviously this is a key concept in the golf machine, you trace the plane line, if I understand it correctly, with the right forearm and #3 pressure point. I finally saw a picture of a few pro's, and compared it to myself. Here is Tiger, on plane:



Here is myself, well above the plane, like in the next county.



I really would like to understand how to get it on plane like Tiger, or Els.........I assume this would be a critical step in my learning process?

I feel like such an idiot, so like I bet I am supposed to trace that plane line on the back swing as well? The magic of the right forearm deal thing that has been talked about endlessly here?

Time to head back to the idiot box............

Originally Posted by gmbtempe I feel like such an idiot, so like I bet I am supposed to trace that plane line on the back swing as well? The magic of the right forearm deal thing that has been talked about endlessly here?

Time to head back to the idiot box............

Whoa. You may not be wrong. Tiger is on the Elbow Plane so his forearm is On the Swing Plane because his Elbow and #3 PP are On the Swing Plane.

Look at the Blur of your Clubhead in the Above Picture. You may be on the TSP? If so, though your #3 PP may be tracing the Plane Line, your Elbow and Forearm may not be On the Swing Plane until Impact. What's important is that your Right Forearm Flying Wedge is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Flying Wedge. It's important for the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to be at 90 degrees to the Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.

FLYING WEDGES Example – multiple sails on a sail boat.
Mechanical – Push-Pull rams on hydraulic excavators mounted at 90 degrees to each other to position and hold the main beam.
Golf – Maintaining the constant simultaneous In-Line relationship of the Clubshaft with the Left Arm and the Right Forearm positioned at ninety degrees to each other along the Line of the Left Wristcock and the line of the Right Wrist Bend.

Therefore, if your Left Wrist Cock is on the TSP, then your right forearm/elbow angle looks correct at this point in your Downstroke. If anything, you might be slightly Under-Plane.

oh boy.... very confused ):

you may be right, my hand is under the turned shoulder plane.

It's very difficult to grasp.

THE ICEMON ........Compare Pic 1 below, with your Pic 2 above.

Originally Posted by Daryl It's very difficult to grasp.

Boy, I don't know Daryl. It doesn't look like he is very far from the same plane as Brian Gay, and Brian is doing a beautiful job of tracing the sweet spot plane. Sorry my friend, I'm a little confused myself.

Kevin

Originally Posted by gmbtempe oh boy.... very confused ):

you may be right, my hand is under the turned shoulder plane.

You really need to get your camera "on plane". It appears as if it is above the plane (high and to close to the ball) which would make it difficult to determine if you are on plane or not.

Next time you take a video try and get the camera to point at the hands, elbow, or turned shoulder then you will be able to properly determine this.

If you have a couple of fiberglass rods set them in the ground at the same angle, shaft angle is easiest, then set your camera so you only see 1 dowel. If you see 2 dowels your camera is off plane. A neat trick is to stand upright and move until you only see 1 rod. You will be amazed how far "behind" a player you need to stand in order to see the plane.

Originally Posted by gmbtempe So obviously this is a key concept in the golf machine, you trace the plane line, if I understand it correctly, with the right forearm and #3 pressure point. I finally saw a picture of a few pro's, and compared it to myself. Here is Tiger, on plane:



Here is myself, well above the plane, like in the next county.



I really would like to understand how to get it on plane like Tiger, or Els.........I assume this would be a critical step in my learning process?

IMO take a look at the pics . . .

1. Booty
2. Shoulder Tilt
3. Left arm

You can try to trace all you want but the bottom line is your pivot can jack up your plane . . . shoulders basically control the plane of the arms swing . . . spine/hips control the tilt of the shoulders . . . knees control tilt/turn of hips.

Your shoulders are too tilty at this point so your left arm gets "out and away from you" as a result. Note how Tiger's left arm is essentially vertical to the ground at this point.

Hogan may have thought he did this . . . but he didn't . . .





So . . . keep your head centered . . . keep your left shoulder from coming up and swing your arms down faster. Your right shoulder is too low at this point so your hands are getting shifted out over the plane.






Feel like your your butt stays up against the wall and keep that booty UP longer as you slide your hips forward . . . hula hula.

Booty Back Golf as O.B. Left says . . . feel like your hips are going back behind you as you go forward . . .

Thanks Bucket.....do you think part of the problem could be in the initial setup standing to far away from the ball?

Originally Posted by gmbtempe Thanks Bucket.....do you think part of the problem could be in the initial setup standing to far away from the ball?

maybe . . . post it up and let's have a look at it.

I will....I signed up for this deal at PGA Tour Super store that gives me unlimited access to their launch monitor and camera system for practice, you see I am an addict, its like free crack.

It has a really cool feature where you can draw a line, on say the turned shoulder plane, then go address the ball and see the real time image from a face on and DTL view, it has a 1 second or so delay. So it allowed me to play around with a little cause and effect. I moved closer to the ball and played around with taking the club back and all off sudden club was only the slightest bit outside and then just a shade off plane, by far the closest I had come. What followed was the best hitting session ever. I will get some pics this weekend.

I will study the whole shoulder thing as well....oh and with the deal I got a free lesson, that should be entertaining on Wed..I am not mentioning TGM but I wonder how much of the advice will come close to the quality of information at this site!