Flat left wrist

There is more than one way to achieve the flat left impact wrist.
Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??

Originally Posted by mb6606

There is more than one way to achieve the flat left impact wrist.
Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??

geez, clearly not a Miller fan

He's got a point re: shaft exit (Miller's view would be a bent plane line), but keep in mind the shaft is NOT the plane unless the #3 accumulator is zero'd out. In Allenby's case, it is closer to zero'd than most.

I like Miller. I consider him the Arch typical Professional Golfer. He played great golf while on the Tour, and he knows nothing about swing mechanics. He serves as a reminder that knowledge will never completely replace hard work.

Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??
ED & D,
Interested to hear your opinions?

Originally Posted by mb6606 Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??
ED & D,
Interested to hear your opinions?

Neither.

I take the path less traveled.

I maintain a Flat Left Wrist which creates a Primary Lever that I support using a Bent Right Wrist and Right Arm Flying Wedge Aligned at Right Angles to the Left Arm Flying Wedge.

This Structurally Rigid and Loaded Power Package is delivered by the Pivot to the Release Point where my Left Arm is thrown off my chest and a passive right Elbow allows that side of the Triangle Assembly to Straighten as the throwout action of Centrifugal Force pulls the Secondary Lever causing my Left Wrist to Uncock.

As my Pivot Imparts Roll, my Left Wrist remains vertical to the associated Horizontal Plane and Centrifugal Force aligns the Clubface while the Clubhead is moving simultaneously Down, Out and Forward through the Impact Interval until both arms are straight.

Then, I breathe.

That's just the Alignment side of the equation. Don't ask about Power.

Lots of what was said in the video my current AI is trying to get me to do.....some great stuff in there. I like Miller for being honest on a lot of stuff unfortunately he does not know the golf swing well enough, or at least cannot put his thoughts into words, so he should not be doing it for NBC.

Originally Posted by mb6606 Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??

Hey mb

Interesting video and question thanks. Clubface is a Left Hand thing of course but didnt Homer also say somewhere, cant remember where, that Hinge Action can be accomplished via any of the Three Zones?

For full shots my guess is that using Zone 1 to do it is the best. Although in the absence of that ability you may have to resort to other means to get the Hinge Action you desire....... The Hitter for instance with his natural tendency towards Angled Hinging will have to use his Arms, Zone 2 or worse still his Left Wrist Zone 3 to roll himself some Horizontal Hinging quite possibly. A compensation or overriding of things.

So my guess is Zone 1, then 2 then 3 in order although the alignment is really a left hand deal. Vertical Hinging would require a Zone 3 intervention for anyone at anytime I guess. Intentional or otherwise. Reverse Rolling being the most unnatural of rolls.

Originally Posted by mb6606 Using the pivot to square it up or a rolling wrist??? Which is preferred??
ED & D,
Interested to hear your opinions?

the pivot causes the throw out for a swinger, in cases where you really have to force the roll to square up, odds are that you are compensating for something (bad alignments, off plane motion and/or rhythm)

think of it this way - in a sequenced release of a swinger, the wrist uncocks, the pivot causes the roll

compensations can be caused by a poor setup of the flying wedges (improper left hand grip and/or a right forearm setup too high/right wrist not level) - see Tiger's current move for a perfect example of steering as a result of bad alignments

No question that Allenby has a terrific pattern. He is one of the best ball strikers out there!

Originally Posted by Daryl Neither.

I take the path less traveled.

I maintain a Flat Left Wrist which creates a Primary Lever that I support using a Bent Right Wrist and Right Arm Flying Wedge Aligned at Right Angles to the Left Arm Flying Wedge.

This Structurally Rigid and Loaded Power Package is delivered by the Pivot to the Release Point where my Left Arm is thrown off my chest and a passive right Elbow allows that side of the Triangle Assembly to Straighten as the throwout action of Centrifugal Force pulls the Secondary Lever causing my Left Wrist to Uncock.

As my Pivot Imparts Roll, my Left Wrist remains vertical to the associated Horizontal Plane and Centrifugal Force aligns the Clubface while the Clubhead is moving simultaneously Down, Out and Forward through the Impact Interval until both arms are straight.

Then, I breathe.

That's just the Alignment side of the equation. Don't ask about Power.

Can you really swing with passive arms and have any serious power?

Originally Posted by EdZ the pivot causes the throw out for a swinger, in cases where you really have to force the roll to square up, odds are that you are compensating for something (bad alignments, off plane motion and/or rhythm)

think of it this way - in a sequenced release of a swinger, the wrist uncocks, the pivot causes the roll

This makes a lot of sense EdZ thanks. The swinger then uses his pivot Zone 1 to get the Left Hand off the Inclined Plane, the Release Swivel, is that right? Where as the Hitter will drive the Right Arm and paddle wheel the Right Hand off the Inclined Plane earlier, an overlapped Release.

I guess you have to define what Brad Faxon meant by "squaring up the face". Release Swivel or Hinge Action. Its an old common golf speak phrase but................. Horizontal Hinging is pure compression, closing with no layback, and has a lot of roll to it. Its "square" at one brief point in time only, Separation.

Thinking about this some more..........typically, the Hitter's Angled Hinging is a product of his Right Arm Thrust, Zone 2. The Swingers Horizontal a product of CF, Zone 1.

I dunno, heck I was hitting all over hells half acre yesterday. Id say you cant square the clubface....... its impossible.

Originally Posted by Daryl I like Miller. I consider him the Arch typical Professional Golfer. He played great golf while on the Tour, and he knows nothing about swing mechanics. He serves as a reminder that knowledge will never completely replace hard work.

A good argument for abandoning all inquiry into the mechanics of the golf stroke!

Originally Posted by okie A good argument for abandoning all inquiry into the mechanics of the golf stroke!

It would be a good argument if you pursue a career in "Golf Announcing".

But what line of reasoning did you use when you took "knowledge will never completely replace hard work" in order to recommend "abandoning all inquiry"?

Originally Posted by EdZ geez, clearly not a Miller fan

He's got a point re: shaft exit (Miller's view would be a bent plane line), but keep in mind the shaft is NOT the plane unless the #3 accumulator is zero'd out. In Allenby's case, it is closer to zero'd than most.

Ed could you explain why the shaft is not the plane in this instance? And if not, what references the plane?

Thanks

Dennis

Originally Posted by DennisG Ed could you explain why the shaft is not the plane in this instance? And if not, what references the plane?

Thanks

Dennis

Miller looks pretty much "dead nutz" (as he likes to say) on plane . . . see frames 7 and 11 . . . beautiful . . . Look at the face in 11 . . . no wonder he could hit it so straight indaday. but I'm not sure if Ed was referring to Miller's motion or Allenby's . . .

Great miller sequence. Does hit left wrist appear to bow slightly into impact?

Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf Great miller sequence. Does hit left wrist appear to bow slightly into impact?

Check the grip in frame one . . . . suuuuuuuper weak . . . no shaft lean . . . to get any lean at all=bowed/arched left wrist and rolly rolly olly. This is an interesting sequence to me . . . in his heyday befo my time but evidently he took yardages to 1/2 yard he was so good with irons. His release is pretty sweepy . . .but that face is QUIET. Looking at the down the line usually if you see a dude with his hands that low his grip is more turned. Plus this caddy view swing is a pretty lofted iron so you expect to see more shaft lean and a steeper angle of attack. If you bleed yellow and pee yellow you are a "downward" addict . . . there's now doubt down here but how many pills in the down bottle do you take. You'd expect with that "neutral" shaft at address and impact you'd be pretty consistent with your distances. Program in a whole bunch of shaft lean and don't match it through the ball your distances could be more erratic. Too much shaft lean and you're air mailing greens potentially and not enough and you maybe dealing with face pulls.