Clear the right hip: 12-3-0

Section 3, #13 states "Forward Press--Clear Right Hip"
Section 6, # 24 states "Clear Right Hip"

Is the right hip rotated in the same direction for these?? or, pls clarify.

Thanks

DRW

Originally Posted by DOCW3 Section 3, #13 states "Forward Press--Clear Right Hip"
Section 6, # 24 states "Clear Right Hip"

Is the right hip rotated in the same direction for these?? or, pls clarify.

Thanks

DRW

Now that is a great question Doc. If its cleared already why or how does one clear it again?

My personal interpretation, with a little help from my friends, is that the first "clear" is a turn of the right hip, the second "clear" is a Slide of the previously turned Right Hip which Tilts the Axis of the Shoulders , gets the weight left and "clears" a path for a Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands.

So in terms of the right hip its: "turn, slide" and then swing all with a centered Head. Slide with a Delayed Turn of the Hips. Mr Hogan's pattern is a fine example of this procedure. There was a cleared Right Hip in both directions, no "Roundhousing", NO!

Who said that the "Hip Turn" is a "Rotation"? Rotate around what? Although "Turn" is used in the little book, the term "Rotation" is not.

Clearing the Hips boils down to the Right Elbow and Right Hip, although coordinated, moving independently. The Right Hip should not interfere with the Right Elbow in either direction.

The "Forward Press", with a Stationary Head, is a Parallel Slide of the Hips and Hands a couple of inches to the Left. This Slide Tilts the Secondary Axis. This is an important alignment because as the Hands move to the Right during Start-Up, the Right Hip will be pushed Backwards behind the player so as not to interfere with the Hands and Elbow Path.

From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizontal Red Line in the Illustration below, is the line that the Hips are on at Address.



The illustration below shows the Hip Turn drawn on the Ground. Note the number of straight lines. Note that during the Backstroke, both Hips move in straight Lines, and, while arriving at the Top of the Swing, are Turned to the Plane Line. They are not Rotated although each hip Bone is rotated in each socket.



Too bad he's an Elbow Plane Swinger. Look at that 10-7-E Reverse Shift. Anyway, not a bad Hip Turn but could be better. Wow, that flexibility is awesome.

D I find this overhead perspective of the Hips to be fascinating. There's options of course. It'd be really interesting to get good players perspectives on their own "tracer lines".

Did you ever see the wee ice blob's? Its a modeled version of Mr Hogan, not sure how accurate but very interesting. Remember you have options.


The first blue tracer is the movement of the left hip, the second yellow one is the right hip and the third green one is the right elbow.

Look at how the Right Hip moves south west in Startup, how the Left Hip after its Slide has a sharp "C" shape (Homer's observation about Hogan's quick initial Hip acceleration? Maybe.) This is like swing DNA.

Question: Mr Kelley tried to make most things right sided, the left shoulder went where the right shoulder directed it to go for instance. But what about the Left Hip , does it respond to the right hips motion or action or does it turn and pull? I can see how the Swinger when Drag Loading could use that left hip pull. Does Homer discuss this left vs right hip thing?

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Originally Posted by Daryl Who said that the "Hip Turn" is a "Rotation"? Rotate around what? Although "Turn" is used in the little book, the term "Rotation" is not.

Clearing the Hips boils down to the Right Elbow and Right Hip, although coordinated, moving independently. The Right Hip should not interfere with the Right Elbow in either direction.

The "Forward Press", with a Stationary Head, is a Parallel Slide of the Hips and Hands a couple of inches to the Left. This Slide Tilts the Secondary Axis. This is an important alignment because as the Hands move to the Right during Start-Up, the Right Hip will be pushed Backwards behind the player so as not to interfere with the Hands and Elbow Path.

From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizontal Red Line in the Illustration below, is the line that the Hips are on at Address.



The illustration below shows the Hip Turn drawn on the Ground. Note the number of straight lines. Note that during the Backstroke, both Hips move in straight Lines, and, while arriving at the Top of the Swing, are Turned to the Plane Line. They are not Rotated although each hip Bone is rotated in each socket.



Too bad he's an Elbow Plane Swinger. Look at that 10-7-E Reverse Shift. Anyway, not a bad Hip Turn but could be better. Wow, that flexibility is awesome.

If one can achieve a 180 degree shoulder turn with less hip turn and no loss of power wouldn't that be an advantage? Less moving parts?

This is the best example of a hip turn producing the forward bump in the turn.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left Now that is a great question Doc. If its cleared already why or how does one clear it again?

My personal interpretation, with a little help from my friends, is that the first "clear" is a turn of the right hip, the second "clear" is a Slide of the previously turned Right Hip which Tilts the Axis of the Shoulders , gets the weight left and "clears" a path for a Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands.

So in terms of the right hip its: "turn, slide" and then swing all with a centered Head. Slide with a Delayed Turn of the Hips. Mr Hogan's pattern is a fine example of this procedure. There was a cleared Right Hip in both directions, no "Roundhousing", NO!

OK when I was walking around St Andrews with Lynn I asked him about this one. We were watching Dustin Johnson hit a "quail high" knock down on 11, as I recall. Anyways........his response was something to the effect that.....

"The right hip must turn inside the right shoulder". He mentioned an instructor from yesteryear that discussed this in detail. Sorry cant remember the name.

The Hip Slide as the second "clear" of the right hip in 12-3, as I proposed above, while being a very useful thing, is not employed for non weight shift strokes where Roundhousing is just as destructive and so the answer to the question lies elsewhere.

Thank God for Lynn. TGFL.

Here's JB Holmes from a birds eye view. See how his right hip is inside the line of his right shoulder giving his right elbow a clear path to its Impact position with no need to re route , roundhouse.

Is this the second "clear the right hip" of 12-3?


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Originally Posted by O.B.Left Here's JB Holmes from a birds eye view. See how his right hip is inside the line of his right shoulder giving his right elbow a clear path to its Impact position with no need to re route , roundhouse.

Is this the second "clear the right hip" of 12-3?


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NICE PICTURE!!! Do you have the entire sequence??? That would be cool to see from a 2-J-3 standpoint.