Top versus End?

If one is using either Drag Loading or Float Loading and the power package is assembled at the Top, is there any reason to continue to End?

I find my swing gets susceptible to over swinging taken it to End and the alignments get out of line and was thinking of working on starting the Thrust of the Power Package from the Top rather then my usual End location.

Originally Posted by gmbtempe If one is using either Drag Loading or Float Loading and the power package is assembled at the Top, is there any reason to continue to End?

I find my swing gets susceptible to over swinging taken it to End and the alignments get out of line and was thinking of working on starting the Thrust of the Power Package from the Top rather then my usual End location.

NO reason in my mind. I think an End at Top makes the components blend together from a rate of release stand point. Much "simpler" "efficient" to have less space to make up to get your arms (power package) working with your pivot at the proper rate regardless of selected loading procedure . . . in my mind anyhow . . .

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket NO reason in my mind. I think an End at Top makes the components blend together from a rate of release stand point. Much "simpler" "efficient" to have less space to make up to get your arms (power package) working with your pivot at the proper rate regardless of selected loading procedure . . . in my mind anyhow . . .

I tried this today when I played. I also had to throw in float loading.

Lagging Clubhead takeaway with the hands, then I just did not load very much 2 or 3 until Top and felt like I was making a 9 oclock back swing and then pulled down with PP2 and PP4 into pitch elbow, pivot hard left. I could not believe how far I hit the ball and much much higher for me. I actually hit my hybrids up in the air.

Lots of testing to do but results very promising.

Originally Posted by gmbtempe I tried this today when I played. I also had to throw in float loading.

Lagging Clubhead takeaway with the hands, then I just did not load very much 2 or 3 until Top and felt like I was making a 9 oclock back swing and then pulled down with PP2 and PP4 into pitch elbow, pivot hard left. I could not believe how far I hit the ball and much much higher for me. I actually hit my hybrids up in the air.

Lots of testing to do but results very promising.

I had everything working like Impact Fix, HH, RFT, EA, and a strong pivot but I was over swinging and bending my driver/long stuff left (I'm a righty). As soon as I stopped my hands at shoulder level, I was straight and really long with all my long stuff (Driver - 5 iron). (I just realized that my early top was too early for my short irons and I dragged them left.) Oops!

Do you have that video? The Jeff Hull one is very interesting and all about swingers.

Hogan, Hands Right Shoulder High with his club parallel to the ground. The knuckle loaded for Drag Loading. Top or end. Discuss.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left Hogan, Hands Right Shoulder High with his club parallel to the ground. The knuckle loaded for Drag Loading. Top or end. Discuss.

There is a Top for swingers which finds pp # 3 loading against the knuckle of the trail hand above the shoulder UNLESS he is a four barrel hitter combining the features of both hitters and swingers.


Usually, a hitter loads at End of RFT at shoulder level and drive loads as they pivot.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left Hogan, Hands Right Shoulder High with his club parallel to the ground. The knuckle loaded for Drag Loading. Top or end. Discuss.

Daryl's solid answer to another question.

To wit....

Single Wrist Action promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Primary Lever and Standard Wrist Action (Swivel) promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Secondary Lever.

For Swingers, the Start-up Swivels 1/4 Turn Rotation is a simplified approach and promotes the #3 PP Load against the Secondary Lever for any Length Stroke going past Start-up. "Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action" does not mean that the Rotation occurred at the "Top".

The difference between "Top" and "End" is related to Wrist Action. With 10-18-C, Single Wrist Action, moving from Top to End would re-align the Right Forearm (1/4 Turn) and therefore re-locate the Right Elbow (1/4 Turn) with the result that the Secondary Lever would Load against the #3 PP. So, we can Swivel at Start-up or Swivel merely by moving the Backstroke from "Top" to "End". Note that each of the three procedures in 10-18-C stop the Backstroke at "Top".

The Important difference between Loading the #3 PP against the Primary or Secondary Lever is the "Subsequent Right Arm Participation". 7-3

So, the "Top" for a Hitter is an Alignment rather than a Location.



Quote:
10-11-0-3 PRESSURE POINT #3 (above) can be either active or passive (6-C-2-A) Accumulator #1 indirect drive (7-11) of the Secondary Lever Assembly (6-A-3) (2-K). That is, actively as Accumulator #2 Axe Handle application for Hitting (10-3-K, 10-19-A) but passively as Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0, 10-19-C) or with a Right Arm Swing (7-19). Lag Loading (10-19) and Delivery Line (2-J-3) requirements. It is Loaded (10-22) per 7-19 as required by Component 19 application being employed (10-19). Study 2-G and 6-C.

Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), just and only because of Loading Action direction – no actual movement of anything. So from The Top to Release, the Loading put the top side of the Clubshaft against the first knuckle of the forefinger. But with Hitting there must be NO change whatever.

When the Wrists “Swivel” back to the Vertical Position (4-C-3) during Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) per 6-B-3. Pressure Point #3 may – but need not – return to its “strong” position (Aft side of the Clubshaft). That is – if left in “Top-of-the-Clubshaft” position it becomes a Weak Single Action Grip (10-2-A) and the interchangeable equivalent to 10-2-C for Swingers. But both are improper for Hitters using Single Wrist Action (10-18-C).
You can't fake this stuff. One can artificially Load the #3 PP but the Alignments aren't present to determine the Motion of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Then there's EA. Without EA, it's like watching a girl throw a baseball (or O.B Left). Once the #3 PP is Loaded, you need EA to keep the Elbow aligned(Power Package) and guide it down the Proper Path.

I might be pretty slow but that Daryl kid seems very bright OB, like you, Kevin, Jerry, Yoda, Ted... the administrators..anyway, I like Daryl's answer.

Moi.