TGM perfect?

What do you say to what Michael Jacobs says about TGM, that it is old-fashioned in some areas:

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3D analysis of ball - club - body has provided a lot more valid scientific information that The Golfing Machine does not provide at the moment.

To name some quickly:

Hitting & Swinging

Hinging

Heavy Hit

Geometry of the stroke

Component List

Would love to see it get updated!!! We will probably get into this area much more in the winter time

Michael Jacobs, GSED

Some draw attention to themselves at the expense of others. Some because of their own merits and accomplishments.

Did his comments help you decide to buy one of his Instructional DVD's?

IMO, to fully understand the nuances of TGM you need a guide, someone who spoke with, and learned under Mr. Kelley. Perfect? Absolutely not, but Lynn Blake understands the direction Mr. Kelley was headed, along with the compensations needed to apply the wonderful work today. That is why I'm here.

Kevin

It is a shame these provocative posts are made for no other reason but to attempt to create controversy where none really exists. Mike Jacobs is a GSED who has a lot of insight into teaching. He was asked what areas of the golfing machine need updating and he gave an opinion based on his interpretation of technology Homer did not have available. Why not focus on the great instruction this site provides, rather than to create pissing matches. A lot of golf swings out there, lots of ways to do things, pretty worthwhile to look at all of them now and then even if you have preferences.

Originally Posted by KevCarter IMO, to fully understand the nuances of TGM you need a guide, someone who spoke with, and learned under Mr. Kelley. Perfect? Absolutely not, but Lynn Blake understands the direction Mr. Kelley was headed, along with the compensations needed to apply the wonderful work today. That is why I'm here.

Kevin

Excuse me for applying a bit of a literate reflection based on personal knowledge of the concept of "perfect," combined with my very happy experiences with TGM as taught by adherents to this site.

In ancient Hebrew, with it's small vocabulary, words meanings are based on context. The ancient Hebrews simply did not say the name of "God" since it was blasphemous for the "limited" human to speak of the "unlimited" Deity. So, to get to our point, when we speak of "perfect" we are automatically speaking about the meaning of the Hebrew word "perfect." Nothing on earth, in this sphere, can be without fault.

Wanna guess as to that meaning? "Perfect," referred to what was mature or good. Mature, sensible, good, true, effective, helpful, towards the sensible, all those terms describe the owners and operators within the sphere of golf instruction on this site, as far as I can tell.

Does that mean that Mr. Blake and this site cannot improve? In business at American Express, we often practiced the "20-80" rule. Twenty percent of a person's talents yield about eighty percent of their effectiveness. No human is good at everything. Every person or organization has "core competencies" which are the heart and soul of their effectiveness. Should this site improve? Sure. But improvement should be directed along the lines of enhancing the "core" of the TGM instruction "as performed here."

We all fight the same set of problems of limited time and resources. With unlimited finances, what would our careers look like? Would we engage in a career at all? Hmmm. So then, how do we make a living given our limited skills and coin? If another person believes in their soul that they have a good idea for this website, let them fly it up the flag pole and see who salutes. If no one accepts the ideas, and the person wants to go ahead, well then, knock yourself out! Step up! Throw down! Launch that rocket ship!

Meanwhile, I've never been closer to breaking 80 and shooting par than I am now. I have all the tools I need on this site, and lots of intelligent, knowledgeable help. If a person wants to help me, fine, use this forum and let's see your insight and skills. If a person simply wants to prattle on about how things could be better for the purposes of self-aggrandizement because they are immature, well, we are busy.

Patrick

I'm very green with regards to TGM. I would love if it is "perfect". Therefore I didn't like what Michael Jacobs had to say. But he hasn't actually explained anything by saying this.

Originally Posted by innercityteacher Excuse me for applying a bit of a literate reflection based on personal knowledge of the concept of "perfect," combined with my very happy experiences with TGM as taught by adherents to this site.

In ancient Hebrew, with it's small vocabulary, words meanings are based on context. The ancient Hebrews simply did not say the name of "God" since it was blasphemous for the "limited" human to speak of the "unlimited" Deity. So, to get to our point, when we speak of "perfect" we are automatically speaking about the meaning of the Hebrew word "perfect." Nothing on earth, in this sphere, can be without fault.

Wanna guess as to that meaning? "Perfect," referred to what was mature or good. Mature, sensible, good, true, effective, helpful, towards the sensible, all those terms describe the owners and operators within the sphere of golf instruction on this site, as far as I can tell.

I'm very happy to know that I'm "perfect". That's what I've been telling my wife for years.

Or the U.S. Constitution for that matter. Frankly I find a lot more reliability these days in the Golfing Machine than either the Ten Commandments or the Constitution. Not one sentence in the book indicates Homer was anything but open minded and non-dogmatic. "Complexity is far more acceptable and workable than mystery is." What a great sentence.

Originally Posted by Yoda Homer Kelley was a very cool guy. His understanding of Golf Stroke Mechanics had no progenitor. Nor, to date, even a parallel.

Meanwhile, we have today a captained handful of TGM 'nouveau-sect' focused on their own negative bias: Namely, their molehill perception of miniscule error against the mountain of irrefutable fact that is absolutely correct.

Few, if any, of those comprising this sect (which joys in confrontation) ever met the man himself. I find it very curious: These misfits -- they welcome the characterization, at least with regards to TGM -- readily acknowledge their debt to Mr. Kelley. Yet, they then turn their entire attention to damning his work.

All while flying the TGM colors.

An odd world, isn't it?

The audio recordings of Mr Kelley reveal a man who was not opposed to contrarian lines of thought..... He was patient , thoughtful , respectful, gracious. He'd say things like..."well maybe, perhaps I missed something there, but....".

Those "buts" were often pretty revealing though. Defining, in fact. It was often a matter of definition. He'd let people come to their own conclusions. As they must.

Originally Posted by Yoda Homer Kelley was a very cool guy. His understanding of Golf Stroke Mechanics had no progenitor. Nor, to date, even a parallel.

Meanwhile, we have today a captained handful of TGM 'nouveau-sect' focused on their own negative bias: Namely, their molehill perception of miniscule error against the mountain of irrefutable fact that is absolutely correct.

Few, if any, of those comprising this sect (which joys in confrontation) ever met the man himself. I find it very curious: These misfits -- they welcome the characterization, at least with regards to TGM -- readily acknowledge their debt to Mr. Kelley. Yet, they then turn their entire attention to damning his work.

All while flying the TGM colors.

An odd world, isn't it?

If there are corrections to Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, I won't consider him an idiot. And, I doubt that Einstein thought that Galileo was an idiot.

Without Homer, where would Lynn be? Without Lynn, where would I be?

I owe my knowledge to great people before me. And, I don't need to prove them wrong to massage my own ego.