#3 power accumulator

#3 Power Accumulator
Not really understand this for sure, but what is this really? The roll of left arm/hand/club from p4 to p7, or is it the angle between left arm and clubshaft (which I find the same as #2 PA in practical terms)?

It's a "power" contributor (accumulator) yes, but any other benefit/consequence of mainly relying and making the most out of this in a swing?

And how?

It's a combination of the roll and the angle. It works like a gear. Small hand motion + rotation gives long club head travel.

Originally Posted by BerntR It's a combination of the roll and the angle. It works like a gear. Small hand motion + rotation gives long club head travel.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A MOSTLY FINGER GRIP UNDER THE HEEL OF YOUR LEFT HAND, ALA HOGAN, THE POWER ACCUMULATOR # 3 WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE AND YOUR machINE WILL BE MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE. rock on!

Originally Posted by innercityteacher IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A MOSTLY FINGER GRIP UNDER THE HEEL OF YOUR LEFT HAND, ALA HOGAN, THE POWER ACCUMULATOR # 3 WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE AND YOUR machINE WILL BE MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE. rock on!

You must keep a flat left wrist and bent right wrist THROUGH EVERY TYPE OF IMPACT. LISTEN, NOT AT STANDARD ADDRESS BUT AT IMPACT OR, IMPACT FIX.

YOUR ARMS WILL TRANSFER AND MULTIPLY THE DRIVE OF YOUR SLOW MOVING HIPS AND YOU MUST GET YOUR BACK HIP OUT OF THE WAY OF YOUR BACK SHOULDER SO THAT YOUR HANDS CAN PRECISELY HIT THE. SNAT OUT OT THE BALL 69 TIMES ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AND OTHER DAYS.

I agree that the PA #3 is very important. Come to think of it, Phil Michelson's Hinge & Hold is very much PA#3 based.

Originally Posted by Yoda The #3 Power Accumulator is formed by placing the Clubshaft under the heel of the Left Hand with the Left Wrist in a Level condition (upper left forearm and first knuckle of left hand in-line). In this condition, Left Hand Turn and Roll produces Rotational Power.

When the Left Wrist is Cocked beyond Level, the Swing Radius is shortened. Its return to Level -- and finally, Uncocked -- creates Velocity Power, totally independent of Rotational Power.

When Left Wristcock Power is employed, the Residual Velocity (of the Uncocking Left Wrist) is Transferred into Impact by the Level Left Wrist Roll. Hence, the designation of #3 as Transfer Power.

OFF TO THE COURSE TO LIVE THE WEDGES FOR FUN AND PROFIT.

Of all the PAs, I would think this is the one that contributes best in terms of accuracy... How correct/wrong am I? I'm referring to the #3PA angle I guess, not the roll itself. By that angle I mean the degree of angle/bent between shaft and left arm. What do you exactly call that in tgm terms?

The more the left arm and shaft is angled, the greater the clubhead travel and the greater accuracy will be because of slower rate of clubface closure (all other things being equal of course), right?

Thank you for all the replies, including berntr's reply in the advanced forum. Your replies made my golf swing. I revamped it, with the main thing that all other bow to being the maximum PA#3 angle.

Originally Posted by Yoda The #3 Power Accumulator is formed by placing the Clubshaft under the heel of the Left Hand with the Left Wrist in a Level condition (upper left forearm and first knuckle of left hand forefinger in-line). In this condition, Left Hand Turn and Roll produces Rotational Power.

When the Left Wrist is Cocked beyond Level, the Swing Radius is shortened. Its return to Level -- and finally, Uncocked -- creates Velocity Power, totally independent of Rotational Power.

When Left Wristcock Power is employed, the Residual Velocity (of the Uncocking Left Wrist) is Transferred into Impact by the Level Left Wrist Roll. Hence, the designation of #3 as Transfer Power.

Hello Mr. Yoda,

Re the acute PA#3 angle, you mentioned the more acute it is, the more power is lessened because of more clubhead travel to release the clubhead. Is it possible to instead focus on this, I mean maximize the clubhead travel and turn it to your advantage?

My "compensation" is this. I release right from the top of the swing. Sweep release. But my rlease just focuses on the release of PA#3 and PA#4, with everything else done to preserve the PA#3 angle as much as possible. I release PA#4 by firing the hips aggressively to start the DS from top and then aggressive turn of shoulders and arms. I release PA#3 with an independent and intentional supination of left forearm/wrist. The everything else are flat and level wrist at impact fix, pitch elbow, weak grip, bent right wrist/PP1, flat lies, low hands, butt of grip under the heel of palm, early elbow plane, and long thumb.

I don't feel a power drain on this. I achieve and ENSURE lag, greater clubhead travel translates to more momentum I think, so faster clubhead speed at impact, and best of all, tremendous accuracy. I never thought supination as fast as I can won't make the ball hook. Slight pulls, yes, but no hooks. And in a 56 degree wedge, I added 20 yards. Supination, as said by Hogan, in deed result to cleaner strikes as well, so more consistent sweet spot strikes, with the delofting of face resulting to lower shots/anti-wind shots, hence longer balls.

Anything you think is/are amiss in the above?

Sincerely.

Originally Posted by Yoda Sorry, brained. never said that (and, unless its angle is intentionally zeroed out by gripping the club in the lifeline of the left hand, it's not true). You may be confusing #2 (Left Wrist Cock) and #3 (Left Wrist Roll). They are not the same.

The Left Wrist Uncocking motion -- from Cocked to fully Uncocked -- is true Lever Extension (2-P). The Left Wrist Rolling motion transfers that velocity into Impact, aligns the Clubface, and sustains -- in fact, is -- Rhythm.

Mr. Yoda,

I am referring to the post below in the Archives on Power Package on PA3. I am particularly referring to the 3rd paragraph. It's mentioned below that the more acute the angle at setup, the more it takes longer to release, hence causing slower clubhead speed?

So, I guess you prefer taking advantage MAINLY of pa2 with pa3 transferring it to the clubhead, which is mainly velocity power?

Would you think it's possible, or maybe better, to take advantage MAINLY of pa3 with a more acute pa3 angle built-in right from setup, then rely MAINLY on rotational power via dual horizontal hinge, 1st hinge being the left shoulder/pivot and 2nd hinge being the left wrist by pronating it in BS and supinating it in DS intentionally, coming from early elbow plane upon transitioning? So, in effect doubling the CP force?

You said early release is required, would this be easier since you don't have to time it between transition and impact (prior to impact)? Especially for amateurs, because they'll just release right at transition?

I'm particularly interested in this because I find it greatly reduces dispersion. And for me, added distance and with a more boring trajectory.

Respectfully,
brianid

******************************
* #1 *
04-26-2006, 09:27 PM

Yoda
Administrator
*
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 9,510
6-B-3-0 Accumlator #3
Originally Posted by Phillygolf
So, at address, lower your hands - you are increasing accumulator #3 when you do that.

-Patrick

As part of the Alignment Routine of 2-J-1, the Grip should be taken at Impact Fix with the Left Wrist Flat, Level and Vertical. This also establishes the height of the Hands for Impact. Within the constraint of the Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist at its Impact Fix height, the #3 Accumulator Angle is established. If a greater #3 Angle is desired, the Club is positioned more under the Heel of the Hand. If less is desired, it is positioned more toward the Cup (but still under the Heel). If Zero #3 is desired, the Club is actually positioned in the Cup.

For simplicity and greater Power Control, most Short Strokes, especially Putts and Chips, should employ Zero #3. This is ideally accomplished as described above, i.e., Gripping the Club in the Cup of the Left Hand. However, at the player's option, it can also be done by Gripping the Club under the Heel of the Left Hand but with the Wrist in a Flat, Uncocked and Vertical condition at Fix.

Full Strokes, on the other hand, require the greater Power afforded by the #3 Accumulator. Interestingly, in this case -- as in so much of life -- more is not better. Absent special circumstances or psychological needs (which must be accomodated!), only a minimal amount of #3 Accumulator Angle should be used. That is because the more acute the #3 Angle, the sooner it must be Released. This creates a longer Release Interval and less than Full Power. Maximum yardage requires the use of the Snap Release and minimal #3 Accumulator. You still get the same Clubhead Travel and Rhythm (6-B-3-0) of the #3 Accumulator through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position), but the minimal Release Interval (2-M-2) produces a smaller Clubhead Travel Time. Hence, more yardage.

And here is one final, very important point. The #3 Accumulator is called Transfer Power for a reason: Especially in the Sequenced Release (4-D-0) of Swingers, it transfers the Power of the Released #2 Accumulator (Left Wrist Cock) into the Rolling Left Forearm and Hand. You should deliberately attempt to Feel this happening and do everything you can to encourage its Action.

Here's how to do it: From the Top, Drag Load (7-19) by Pulling the Butt End of the Club toward the Plane Line. Immediately thereafter, begin a Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) -- later you can 'kick it up a notch' with the Automatic Snap Release of 10-24-E -- by Uncocking your Left Wrist strongly Downward, also toward the Plane Line. That takes only a fraction of a second, and just as soon as you Feel the strong, Downward Uncocking Motion underway, use its momentum to begin the Roll of your #3 Angle On Line through Impact. You've Launched a Three-Stage Rocket: The Drag Load established your initial Thrust; your Uncocking Left Wrist created the highest Velocity you will be able to achieve; and the #3 Accumulator picked up that Velocity and sustained it into Impact.

With Practice, this Sequenced Release blends into a single unified Motion and creates truly effortless, mystifying and almost magical Power. And when you get it right...

You're not going to believe it!
__________________
Yoda

* #2 *
04-26-2006, 09:49 PM
************************

to get the right format:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2696.html

Originally Posted by brianid Hello Mr. Yoda,

Re the acute PA#3 angle, you mentioned the more acute it is, the more power is lessened because of more clubhead travel to release the clubhead. Is it possible to instead focus on this, I mean maximize the clubhead travel and turn it to your advantage?

My "compensation" is this. I release right from the top of the swing. Sweep release. But my rlease just focuses on the release of PA#3 and PA#4, with everything else done to preserve the PA#3 angle as much as possible. I release PA#4 by firing the hips aggressively to start the DS from top and then aggressive turn of shoulders and arms. I release PA#3 with an independent and intentional supination of left forearm/wrist. The everything else are flat and level wrist at impact fix, pitch elbow, weak grip, bent right wrist/PP1, flat lies, low hands, butt of grip under the heel of palm, early elbow plane, and long thumb.

I don't feel a power drain on this. I achieve and ENSURE lag, greater clubhead travel translates to more momentum I think, so faster clubhead speed at impact, and best of all, tremendous accuracy. I never thought supination as fast as I can won't make the ball hook. Slight pulls, yes, but no hooks. And in a 56 degree wedge, I added 20 yards. Supination, as said by Hogan, in deed result to cleaner strikes as well, so more consistent sweet spot strikes, with the delofting of face resulting to lower shots/anti-wind shots, hence longer balls.

Anything you think is/are amiss in the above?

Sincerely.

Good stuff in this thread....a few things to watch/monitor in this regard....

1. How is the clubface aligned in your hand when you grip it? If it is closed/shutty when you grip it that could cause the pull issue.....pay attention to how much "shaft lean" you program into your grip...if you program in a considerable amount of lean in your grip i.e. take the grip with the shaft leaning waaaaay more than vertical then if you don't deliver that amount of shaft lean to the ball...pull city.

2. Pay attention to your hand path....remember it is the CLUBHEAD that is thrown out to the ball....not your hands...if your hands are getting "out and away" from you and you focus on "releasing #3"...you could get pulls and wipes....not saying that is the issue but if it is try this drill...you want the left arm staying "in" and the hands "in on plane" as the clubhead travels out on plane to the ball. So take your grip left hand only. Place your right hand on your left elbow and pin it to your body where it would be at address. Now just take the club up like a chipping type motion with your left hand...from there use your left hand to THROW the club head out into the ground..out to the plane line....no pivot just isolate the #2 and #3 accumulators...so you are basically just going to throw/dump the club into the ground well back of where the ball would be...you would be hitting a huge fat shot...have the sweetspot looking at the ground earlier...not out to the right...throw the sweetspot into the ground well behind the ball with your left arm pinned.....you'll isolate how #3 has to work with your hands in and not out away from you....

from there the question becomes...how do I get to the ball...that's where your pivot comes in...your right shoulder moving forward and out to the plane line will bring all that #3 and #2 motion forward....but the drill is just to isolate how the work as your left arm/hands to race out and away from you.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket Good stuff in this thread....a few things to watch/monitor in this regard....

1. How is the clubface aligned in your hand when you grip it? If it is closed/shutty when you grip it that could cause the pull issue.....pay attention to how much "shaft lean" you program into your grip...if you program in a considerable amount of lean in your grip i.e. take the grip with the shaft leaning waaaaay more than vertical then if you don't deliver that amount of shaft lean to the ball...pull city.

2. Pay attention to your hand path....remember it is the CLUBHEAD that is thrown out to the ball....not your hands...if your hands are getting "out and away" from you and you focus on "releasing #3"...you could get pulls and wipes....not saying that is the issue but if it is try this drill...you want the left arm staying "in" and the hands "in on plane" as the clubhead travels out on plane to the ball. So take your grip left hand only. Place your right hand on your left elbow and pin it to your body where it would be at address. Now just take the club up like a chipping type motion with your left hand...from there use your left hand to THROW the club head out into the ground..out to the plane line....no pivot just isolate the #2 and #3 accumulators...so you are basically just going to throw/dump the club into the ground well back of where the ball would be...you would be hitting a huge fat shot...have the sweetspot looking at the ground earlier...not out to the right...throw the sweetspot into the ground well behind the ball with your left arm pinned.....you'll isolate how #3 has to work with your hands in and not out away from you....

from there the question becomes...how do I get to the ball...that's where your pivot comes in...your right shoulder moving forward and out to the plane line will bring all that #3 and #2 motion forward....but the drill is just to isolate how the work as your left arm/hands to race out and away from you.

Hello 12pbucket,

Thanks for the response and the drill.

What's the rationale for the sweetspot/clubface facing the ground immediately? To train the hands for immediate release, immediate/full release from top? As Mr. Yoga said, clubhead release arc is longer with more PA3 angle, so have to release immediately, correct? Any advice for the right hand/arm participation and timing?

Respectfully.

Originally Posted by brianid Hello 12pbucket,

Thanks for the response and the drill.

What's the rationale for the sweetspot/clubface facing the ground immediately? To train the hands for immediate release, immediate/full release from top? As Mr. Yoga said, clubhead release arc is longer with more PA3 angle, so have to release immediately, correct? Any advice for the right hand/arm participation and timing?

Respectfully.

Let me clarify....sweetspot looking at the ball....this drill the club doesn't get too much higher than parallel to the ground.

as far as the right arm goes...depends on the procedure...in swinging the right elbow is going to lead...sweetspot will look at the ball later...hitting the right elbow is punch...simultaneous release type...so sweetspot will not lay on the face of the plane near as long...right forearm will be responsible for pushing/throwing out the sweetspot to the ball...but that doesnt meean the hands get thrown out...it's the clubhead...