Originally Posted by 6bmike Until Lynn gets back on line.
The golfer’s Flail is the Left Arm and the Club, the Primary Lever that applies force on the ball. Centrifugal Acceleration and Momentum of the Throw-Out releases accumulator#2 to produce its In line Condition. That is what a flail does- it goes from out-of line to In Line by a whipping CF action. Farmers trashed wheat with two sticks and a leather strap. A golfer’s Flail is the left arm and club with the left wrist being the leather strap. Many pics of Google of flails.
Since CF produces the In-Line to sqaure the clubface, I will say it is for Swinger's. A hitter uses a driving right arm to release acc2.
Now the Law of the Flai- 2-K gets you to an Inline sqaure clubface. Acc#3rhythm with an Hinge motion is needed to complete the shot.
Originally Posted by Bumpy [/color]Watch BD review release with his grandson at about 1:00 to 1:10 of this clip.
I do not see how 2-k gets to a square clubface for a true swinger.
Bumpy
Originally Posted by Bumpy This post is problematic for me.Easy answer - however not one that is quickly answered. Possibly the information below will help you - since I'm on perma hold with Cox Cable this morning.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=separation
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The True Swinger allows Centrifugal Force to align for Impact all three Functions of the Club, i.e., the Clubhead, the Clubshaft and the Clubface.
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Yoda
Something I am missing in the physics, club, machine or in my in interpretation. Suspect this aligning is CF reacting to something I have not accounted for. Gravity? Shaft is a snake?
Bumpy
Originally Posted by HungryBear Watch BD review release with his grandson at about 1:00 to 1:10 of this clip.It should be noted that Ben Doyle's use of the term "Aiming Point" has no relation to the Aiming Point concept in the Golfing Machine. Not that his point potentially doesn't have relevance or practical implications or useage. The problem arises for people learning the book, seeing the "1st" authorized instructor - using a term from the book in a completely different way and context than the one described in the book. Personally I'd be much more careful in using the terms - if I knew that you read a instructional book on how to drive a car I wouldn't tell you to put the key in the ignition if I meant put the key in the trunk lock to open the trunk.
HB
Originally Posted by Mike O It should be noted that Ben Doyle's use of the term "Aiming Point" has no relation to the Aiming Point concept in the Golfing Machine. Not that his point potentially doesn't have relevance or practical implications or useage. The problem arises for people learning the book, seeing the "1st" authorized instructor - using a term from the book in a completely different way and context than the one described in the book. Personally I'd be much more careful in using the terms - if I knew that you read a instructional book on how to drive a car I wouldn't tell you to put the key in the ignition if I meant put the key in the trunk lock to open the trunk.That is why I restricted use of BD to a time frame 1 to 1:10 (edit that to 1:02 to 1:08.5). That is the point in release where cf uses the golfers flail to get #2 then #3 going.
Originally Posted by Mike O Easy answer - however not one that is quickly answered. Possibly the information below will help you - since I'm on perma hold with Cox Cable this morning.Regarding the highlighted part of your post. Let's say the CG offset produces a 5 degree closure of the leading edge. Using the plane of motion as a zero reference the leading edge will be 5* or 95* closed ?
Let's talk in terms of the "pure" "simple" theory - "outside" of any particular practical golfing example - just to understand the basic principle at play.
First let's clarify the concept "CF aligning". The broader principle is that it could be any straight line force through the longitudinal center of mass of the golf club. So similar to just a golf club swinging in a circle with the pull straight out through the longitudinal center of mass i.e. sweetspot. Let's look at an example that you can see. Take a sand wedge and a 5 iron and hold each lightly at the grip end with thumb and index finger - shaft hanging down towards the ground - that straight line force - gravity in this situation- pulls through the center of mass and aligns each club. The sand wedge leading edge is more closed than the five iron because of the construction of the clubface is different (wider)i.e. more mass behind the leading edge. Likewise, rotating these clubs in a circle would automatically align their club faces - differently but consistently. So you could rely on that principle to consistently align your clubface.
If there wasn't other issues at play as in a human swinging a golf club - for instance if you just had a golf club swinging around a centered rotating pole - attached by a rope say and moving fast enough where the shaft was parallel to the ground - then based on the way they construct golf clubs - you would always have the face closed to the motion of the clubhead at any time and therefore if hitting a ball - you would always produce a draw shot.
This issue of CF aligning the clubface relates to Homer's "Hookface" definition.
Originally Posted by HungryBear That is why I restricted use of BD to a time frame 1 to 1:10 (edit that to 1:02 to 1:08.5). That is the point in release where cf uses the golfers flail to get #2 then #3 going.Nothing directed at you HB - it was more of a side comment outside the context of this thread.
HB
Originally Posted by Bumpy Regarding the highlighted part of your post. Let's say the CG offset produces a 5 degree closure of the leading edge. Using the plane of motion as a zero reference the leading edge will be 5* or 95* closed ?I think I understand your question but I'm not 100% sure.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left Bumpy consider the difference between the farmers flail and the golfers flail .....The swivel.
Originally Posted by Bumpy The swivel.In regard to face manipulation only (leaving aside clubhead and shaft manipulation). The farmers flail has the two pieces of wood attached by a string like piece of leather . If the golf shaft were made of string no manipulation of the face would be possible right. Now consider the golfers hands, the connection between the handle and the arms, as being string like.
Originally Posted by HungryBear Watch BD review release with his grandson at about 1:00 to 1:10 of this clip.
HB
Originally Posted by Mike O[quote=Mike O;93517]I think I understand your question but I'm not 100% sure.
.............. if you just had a golf club swinging around a centered rotating pole - attached by a rope say and moving fast enough where the shaft was parallel to the ground - then based on the way they construct golf clubs - you would always have the face closed to the motion of the clubhead at any time..........
Originally Posted by whip Whoa didn't I say that Cf aligned the clubface ? There's an echoIndeed, CF aligns the face for impact, the amount of 'hookface' must be accounted for.
Originally Posted by HungryBear The swinger uses cf to bring the power package, from left shoulder to right elbow into impact. The clubs face is under the control of the flat left hand.In any Golfing Machine discussion a starting point is what Homer Kelly thought or wrote about regardless of whether anyone thinks it is correct or incorrect. Once you've established that frame of reference you can or have the option to disagree or diverge off of it and support your conclusions with facts.
In fact the entire swing should remain under the direction of the hands. CF involved or not.
HB
Originally Posted by Mike O In any Golfing Machine discussion a starting point is what Homer Kelly thought or wrote about regardless of whether anyone thinks it is correct or incorrect. Once you've established that frame of reference you can or have the option to disagree or diverge off of it and support your conclusions with facts.
Your post above shows that you don't understand the difference between a "True Swinger" and a "Manipulated Swinger" as defined by Homer Kelley.
Originally Posted by Bumpy This post is problematic for me.I read more into it than there is.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=separation
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The True Swinger allows Centrifugal Force to align for Impact all three Functions of the Club, i.e., the Clubhead, the Clubshaft and the Clubface.
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Yoda
Something I am missing in the physics, club, machine or in my in interpretation. Suspect this aligning is CF reacting to something I have not accounted for. Gravity? Shaft is a snake?
Bumpy
Originally Posted by Bumpy Indeed, CF aligns the face for impact, the amount of 'hookface' must be accounted for.Whip,
Bumpy