Quick start down...

Can the start down for swingers be too quick? Is there a point in the swing where the "quick" changes to "deliberate, positive, and heavy"? I feel like I'm getting close...

So the function of the start down for swingers is solely the loading of the lag pressure in the hands, and from that point, you carry that load through impact to both arms straight?

yep.... that's pretty much it.... but think 'drag'

drag the lag downplane and you'll really feel the 'heavy' load compress the ball and your entire body supporting impact

Originally Posted by EdZ yep.... that's pretty much it.... but think 'drag'

drag the lag downplane and you'll really feel the 'heavy' load compress the ball and your entire body supporting impact

Edz,

This may be a goofy question and I know this is the Swinging Forum, but per 7-19 LAG LOADING:

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure “Feel” is a deadweight inertia - exactly like dragging a wet mop through impact - constant Loading, constant direction.

Can you "drag" with the right arm? Is Hitting the equivalent of "dragging" the mop/clubhead with the right tricep/forearm? And is this consistent with Drive loading? Is there "dragging the wet mop" with Drive loading? Or is "dragging" with the right arm like Right Arm Swinging?

Maybe this is just a feel vs. real deal.

Thanks!

B

12 Piece,

Clap on...I see that you might be one of those right arm moppers. You gotta try bringing that left hand way down the mop handle and pull it. Just sense your mop-up line with the #3 pressure point. Pull it with all you got...and you'll have one very clean floor. Clap off.

Bagger

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

Originally Posted by EdZ yep.... that's pretty much it.... but think 'drag'

drag the lag downplane and you'll really feel the 'heavy' load compress the ball and your entire body supporting impact

Edz,

This may be a goofy question and I know this is the Swinging Forum, but per 7-19 LAG LOADING:

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure “Feel” is a deadweight inertia - exactly like dragging a wet mop through impact - constant Loading, constant direction.

Can you "drag" with the right arm? Is Hitting the equivalent of "dragging" the mop/clubhead with the right tricep/forearm? And is this consistent with Drive loading? Is there "dragging the wet mop" with Drive loading? Or is "dragging" with the right arm like Right Arm Swinging?

Maybe this is just a feel vs. real deal.

Thanks!

B

Bagger, your post cracked me up!

..... the clapper.....

12 piece - Delaware Golf is our resident right arm swinger, so perhaps he can confirm this, but yes that sounds very much like a right arm swinger's 'feel' and/or a full sweep release hitter's feel/arc of approach. Perhaps Ted can comment on that one.

In a hitter's move you would generally not want to have that 'sweep' feeling with the right arm, but more of a straight line thrust of PP#1. Swinging is generally a left sided drag sensation. Personally I feel BOTH my hands, via the pressure points, are dragging the heavy club downplane, but to have PP#4, you'll feel this as more of a 'left sided' drag rather than a right sided drag.

Originally Posted by EdZ Bagger, your post cracked me up!

..... the clapper.....

12 piece - Delaware Golf is our resident right arm swinger, so perhaps he can confirm this, but yes that sounds very much like a right arm swinger's 'feel' and/or a full sweep release hitter's feel/arc of approach. Perhaps Ted can comment on that one.

In a hitter's move you would generally not want to have that 'sweep' feeling with the right arm, but more of a straight line thrust of PP#1. Swinging is generally a left sided drag sensation. Personally I feel BOTH my hands, via the pressure points, are dragging the heavy club downplane, but to have PP#4, you'll feel this as more of a 'left sided' drag rather than a right sided drag.

E,

The reason I ask is Mr. Kelley references "dragging a mop/swinging a mop" in two places:

7-19 LAG LOADING . . . The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure “Feel” is a deadweight inertia - exactly like dragging a wet mop through impact - constant Loading, constant direction. A careful nursing of the Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established by three different ways:
1. by resisting the Backstroke motion for Drive Loading
2. with the Start Down motion for Float Loading
3. by “throwing” the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading
Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate. Including Extensor Action (6-B-1-D).

AND

9-2 ZONE #2 . . . The choice must be made here between “Mop Swinging” (Drive Loading), “Towel Snapping” (Downstroke Loading) and “Whipcracking” (Drag Loading). See 7-19.

It sounds like there is "dragging" even in Drive Loading. I find the "dragging" the mop as an analogy for Drive Loading to be accurate. Drag the inertia downplane stressing the shaft by driving the right forearm. Even though Drag Loading is a Swinging procedure. Sounds like you "drag" even when you Hit.

Yikes!

Yoda explained swingers directly load pp2 and indirectly load pp3, which accepts a 'trailing' lag. To me, this doesn't clearly jive with "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading Homer's explanation distinguising drag loading from the other two types of loading reads to me a direct loading of pp3 instead of pp2. Clarification needed. I tend to get steamy glasses in the warmer months.

Remember that swingers, unlike hitters, go to the 'end' and use longitudinal acceleration - pulling an arrow from a quiver - PP#3 is 'under' the shaft at 'end' so it can not be directly loaded, only PP#2 with its 'pull' - trying to 'stretch the club lengthwise (send the butt of the club away from the target) can be loaded directly, but when you 'turn the corner' back to top - there is PP#3 - ready and waiting to feel that loaded shaft! Think of that throw being away from the target, with the pivot doing its job ensuring the 'circle' and its geometry will prevent throw away. You CAN throw it from the top, but you'd better pivot!