left wrist

The uncocking of the left wrist and the swivel back to vertical one or two motions? Do they happen at the same time or the uncocking first and then the swivel?

As far as I have gathered, hitters (in the impact interval) do it simultaneously, while swingers do it sequenced and the uncocking happens first and then the roll of the left hand follows. (This mirrors the start up swivel).

Originally Posted by airair As far as I have gathered, hitters (in the impact interval) do it simultaneously, while swingers do it sequenced and the uncocking happens first and then the roll of the left hand follows. (This mirrors the start up swivel).

thank you

Should this be a conscious effort or should it be automatic?

It feels a little uncomfortable to act like I'm some sort of expert who can answer questions like this, but never mind - we are (almost) alone here anyway ...

Swingers use CF - and this should happen without much conscious effort. Hitters use muscular right arm thrust, so I would guess they have a more conscious feel for this - and doing it all at once.

It depends on how far you have come in your training. At first it is all conscious mechanics, but the goal is to let this become automatic feels (that reproduce the mechanics)... and when that happens it gets less conscious and more automatic, I would presume..

Originally Posted by airair It feels a little uncomfortable to act like I'm some sort of expert who can answer questions like this, but never mind - we are (almost) alone here anyway ...

Swingers use CF - and this should happen without much conscious effort. Hitters use muscular right arm thrust, so I would guess they have a more conscious feel for this - and doing it all at once.

It depends on how far you have come in your training. At first it is all conscious mechanics, but the goal is to let this become automatic feels (that reproduce the mechanics)... and when that happens it gets less conscious and more automatic, I would presume..

thank you very much

Originally Posted by airair
It depends on how far you have come in your training. At first it is all conscious mechanics, but the goal is to let this become automatic feels (that reproduce the mechanics)... and when that happens it gets less conscious and more automatic, I would presume..

Bingo, reference 4-D-0 and 2-P. Wow, it's been a long time since I said anything like that.

Thanks for the references. One day I'll get to know the book better....

Originally Posted by jerry1967 The uncocking of the left wrist and the swivel back to vertical one or two motions? Do they happen at the same time or the uncocking first and then the swivel?

1. Two distinct motions. You can Swivel to Plane and Swivel to Vertical for Impact without Cocking/Uncocking the Left Wrist.
2. A Swinger cannot Cock and Uncock On-Plane without Swiveling. Loading the Shaft Requires a Swivel.
3. Keep in mind, the Left Hand/Wrist Swivels....the Right Hand/Wrist does not.
4. The On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge Swivels the Left Hand.

I interpret Jerry's question to reveal an important issue.

Context.


Jerry - from a mechanical perspective - swinging would generally have a sequenced release as opposed to the hitters simultaneous release. As Daryl states - two distinct motions as measured from a 3rd person perspective - i.e. camera.

From the player's perspective - 1st person perspective - that would not necessarily be the case. And unless you slice and dice this subject up I would go as far to say that it shouldn't be the case that you would sense/feel two distinct motions.

I think it's an important distinction to understand and it is a huge area of study to fully elaborate that point.

Mike O

Originally Posted by Mike O I interpret Jerry's question to reveal an important issue.

Context.


Jerry - from a mechanical perspective - swinging would generally have a sequenced release as opposed to the hitters simultaneous release. As Daryl states - two distinct motions as measured from a 3rd person perspective - i.e. camera.

From the player's perspective - 1st person perspective - that would not necessarily be the case. And unless you slice and dice this subject up I would go as far to say that it shouldn't be the case that you would sense/feel two distinct motions.

I think it's an important distinction to understand and it is a huge area of study to fully elaborate that point.

Mike O

Agree, agree, Agree, yes, yes, yes
My personal thinking is there are several, all difficult, ways to explain.
The easiest is :
Think hinge, think Dual Horizontal, sequenced, #2 release vertical, #3 release horizontal The face is squared by the flat VERTICAL left wrist.
Think about it!

I should be clearer- and said the same "type" of motion as the dual horizontal hinge -

HB

[*]The On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge Swivels the Left Hand.[/list][/quote]


can someone explain this?

Probably not- but let me try. The 2 flying wedges are linked together at a 90 degree angle. A swinger who as had a start up swivel, must also have a release swivel. Since the flying wedges work i tandem, what the left hand does the right hand will react to - to maintain the flying wedges structure - and visa versa (which you are asking about?).
Forget it...

Originally Posted by jerry1967 [*]The On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge Swivels the Left Hand.[/list]

can some explain this?

Take an address position with no club, your right hand holding your left thumb. Bend the right arm with an inert left arm but Extensor Action: it brings the left arm across the chest but at the same time the entire left arm rotates at the shoulder socket (Swivel). The same happens in the dowsnwing when the right arm straightening (actively or passively) will rotate the left arm back. Try different right elbow positions to see how it affects the left arm rotation.